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Old 05-18-2007, 04:04 PM   #169
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Glad that things worked out to your satisfaction. It doesn't always take revenge to get satisfaction. Just knowing that you are being heard by the right people and that things will be better for the "next guy" sometimes is better than a pound of flesh.
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Old 05-18-2007, 04:14 PM   #170
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And this just in...

I got a nice follow-up email from Mr. Lingenfelter. Here is part of what he said:

I am holding Supervising Ranger interviews and I always do a pre-assignment before the interview questions.

I will be using your forum posting for this exercise and the candidates will be required to craft a response.

This will be a major point of evaluation for readiness to manage our parks.

Just one way of getting the right people into the right jobs.


It just gets better and better!

You're absolutely right Minnie's Mate: Just being heard and knowing somebody conscientious wants to make it right for people down stream is the best resolution of all.
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:21 PM   #171
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I like Doorgunners response, to hell with rude people. It really does take alot to just take a step back and allow people like this to be who and what they are. I feel bad for your being dejected but, as the mutual feelings are here, to hell with him. Coastalview has the best approach yet, Go get 'em Jeff. I'll notate my map as this is one place to avoid, sorry but thanks for the heads up.
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Old 05-18-2007, 06:48 PM   #172
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I like Doorgunners response, to hell with rude people. It really does take alot to just take a step back and allow people like this to be who and what they are. I feel bad for your being dejected but, as the mutual feelings are here, to hell with him. Coastalview has the best approach yet, Go get 'em Jeff. I'll notate my map as this is one place to avoid, sorry but thanks for the heads up.
I would hold my judgement on this. While the "parking lot" environment may not suit you, it sounds as if the problem of the idiot host (and possibly the ranger?) may be solved thanks to some good follow-up by Doorgunner and possibly others.
There are bad employees out there, both in and out of government. Unfortunately we seem to get our unfair share in government.
But give the Superintendant credit for handling a bad problem that could have been a lot worse for the park service.
As for avoiding the park? Only if the problem stays....
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Old 05-19-2007, 09:56 AM   #173
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Was it something "Ronnie" said

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference, The Marines don't have that problem"
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Old 05-19-2007, 10:06 AM   #174
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"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference, The Marines don't have that problem"
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......and many people don't want to 'get involved'. However, those who do...DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Thanks, Tim. "WE" are appreciative. Now go relax on the porch.

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Old 05-19-2007, 10:44 AM   #175
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what Frzrowt said!!

let us know when you come back out and we will try and "hookup" oops Fyrzowt sorry for the misspell
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Old 05-19-2007, 11:16 AM   #176
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We could call it the Blue Tote Solidarity Rally

We'll be back to California. And we'd love to rally with all the people on this thread who were so wonderful to get the ball rolling to get this issue resolved in the most positive way. In the end, things turned out for the good.

As a writer by trade I always try to go with Garrison Keillor's saying:
"Nothing bad happens to writers. It's all material."
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Old 05-19-2007, 12:00 PM   #177
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As a campground host I was horrified to see what a terrible example that person at Santa Cruz was. Any campground I've hosted at (2 states, 1 province), the park managment stress from the very beginning that hosts are NOT law enforcement. We have no power or authority. We are there strictly as a liason between campers and the park staff. My attitude mirrors that. I'm in the park as a camper, and I want to make sure everyone is having a great, fun, camping experience. The closest I get to enforcement is to be nothing more than a tattle tale with a vest).

And there's nothing like having to empty your own blackwater tank to keep you humble.

Rivets to Doorgunner!
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Old 05-19-2007, 10:13 PM   #178
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Old 06-04-2007, 04:51 PM   #179
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Update: True to his word

For all those who have been following this thread: I got a certificate in the mail today for 2 nites free camping at any state park in the the Santa Cruz/Pajaro district from Kirk Lingenfelter the district superintendent to make up for being kicked out of the Seacliff state park by--being kind here--officious over-zealous campground "host".

Of course such a nice resolution to such an embarrassing incident would not have been possible were it not for* great California folks like Doorgunner and SequoiaCoast who voiced their outrage--And in the case of Doorgunner, I do mean VOICED--at the way we were treated.

Cliff sent the orignal cartoon he drew of the incident which I will frame and hang in Airylle as a reminder that the great folks of the Air Forum community are always with us.
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Old 06-04-2007, 04:54 PM   #180
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Hi Susan,

So glad to hear of your good news!!..happy traveling to you on your next visit to CA and rally!
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Susan,
Your trailer has been blown up, burnt and tossed.

What's next?
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Old 06-04-2007, 05:29 PM   #182
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I'm glad they stood up and apologized and discussed the issues man to man (or man to woman). However, the thing standing out to me is that it seems blue tanks are not allowed in CA parks? Is that everywhere or just at some parks? That's still kind of a big issue for those of us without grey tanks.
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