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Old 07-16-2012, 08:41 PM   #1
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Is my tow vehicle compatible with 27FB?

Hello Airstreamers,

First, I just want to say how happy I am that I found all of you. I am new to this forum and have spent the last week reading many different entries and learning quite a bit about Airstreaming and I am very grateful for all of the knowledge and wisdom on this forum.

I don't currently own an Airstream but will be buying one in the near future
In the meantime, I have a question regarding tow vehicle and travel trailer compatibility.

Do you think my tow vehicle can safely tow the 27FB? Following are the specs on both units:

Airstream 27FB International Signature Series
Unite Base Weight (UBW): 5764 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR): 7600 lbs
Hitch Weight: 770 lbs

Toyota Land Cruiser
5.7L V8, 6-speed ECT auto with Sequential Shift Mode, 381hp@5600rpm, 401lb-ft @3600rpm

Curb Weight: 5730 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR): 7385 lbs
Payload: 1295 lbs
Towing Capacity: 8500 lbs
Tongue Weight: 850 lbs
Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR): 15,775 lbs
Fuel Capacity: 24.6 gal
(24.6 x 8.39 = 206.4 lbs of gasoline)
Passenger Weight: 500 lbs


Airstream GVWR = 7600 lbs
Land Cruiser GVWR = 7385 lbs
Combined Weight = 14,985 lbs


In your opinion, do you think this is a safe towing vehicle?

Thank you in advance for your time and answers!

Kindly,
Wendy
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:45 PM   #2
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I think you'll be fine. You may wind up a bit over on GCWR, but I don't think it'll be unsafe in any respect.

Edit: OOPS, I thought you were using the AS curb weight, not the GVW, in your last GCW figure. You'll be fine.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:55 PM   #3
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The numbers look good.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:02 PM   #4
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I'd just make sure you include a good weight distribution system - Hensley or one of the others, which would be good counsel regardless of TV.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:20 PM   #5
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I think you'll be fine. I have an 05 Silverado 1500 with 5.3L and it pulls our 25' with no problem. I did get 3.73 rear when I ordered the truck so I can normally cruise the interstates in overdrive. You should be fine with the LC.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:45 PM   #6
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It's as safe as any truck or truck-based vehicle. That means it needs a properly adjusted weight distribution/sway control hitch and brake controller.

Adjusting speed to wind, weather, road conditions, and traffic is the most important safety measure.

So yes, your tow vehicle is fine.

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Old 07-16-2012, 10:54 PM   #7
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Thanks so much for all the feedback! I very much appreciate everyone's time and advice. Now I can't wait to get my Airstream...it can't come fast enough :-)
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Old 07-21-2012, 06:37 AM   #8
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Greetings. My first post; I'm still I the dreaming stage. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out the whole tow capacity thing and have just about come to the conclusion that you practically need a semi to tow a Bambi.

I have a ford expedition with a 5.4 V8 and 8900 tow rating. Surely I can tow a 20 footer with a 5000 GVWR with no problem or so I thought. An issue arises with the payload capacity, 1680 pounds. *Take away 200 for gas and I'm down to 1480. *The family of 4 and the dog take away another 750 leaving 730. *The unladen hitch weight of the Bambi is 630. Add to that 60 pounds for propane and an easy 40 more for water and stuff gives a more realistic hitch weight of 730. *So that allows zero pounds for my cooler, grill and all the other stuff I jam into the back of the expedition. I think Wendy faces a similar issue. *
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Sierrafun & Lifer2,
Welcome to the forums! IMO, you should load your TV's up with stuff you want to bring camping and have a field trip to the scales. Pack up as much as you can possibly take. Get the weights for the front and back axle. That way, when you get the trailers hooked up, you will have a good idea of what you have to work with. Once hooked up, head to the scales again.
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lilfer, 5000# is a fully loaded 20'er. Put some of that stuff in the trailer rather than the back of the Expedition. And use discretion, what do you really need. The weight distribution hitch will also put some of the Bambi hitch weight on the trailer axles.

You may be better off looking at a 25' as a starting point, with much more load capacity.

Airstreaming is about traveling light. Not everyone can do it. An alternative is big truck and big trailer (fifth wheel).

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Old 07-21-2012, 09:52 AM   #11
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The Land Cruiser has the same engine, transmission, etc., as our Tundra and will have no problems. A little light on payload as the LC body is heavy, but it can be done. There are some special considerations with the suspension they use on the LC and you can find info on that by using the search function.

We have an Equalizer hitch and have no problems with it with a 25'. The 27' is not that different.

In figuring payload issues, about 2/3 of tongue weight goes to the truck (and is subtracted from payload along with passengers and other cargo) and 1/3 to the trailer. I seem to recall Toyota gives payload numbers with a full gas tank, so you shouldn't have to worry about that.

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Greetings. My first post; I'm still I the dreaming stage. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out the whole tow capacity thing and have just about come to the conclusion that you practically need a semi to tow a Bambi.

I have a ford expedition with a 5.4 V8 and 8900 tow rating.
It is ironic. In Europe they tow non aerodynamic Bambi sized trailers with 4cyl compact cars, no WDH and life is golden.



On this side of the pond everything gets heavy very quickly.

Doug has the plan as we do. Our Airstream is large enough to load in the supplies which keeps the TV on the light side, within payload specs.
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:42 AM   #13
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Land Cruiser towing Safari 27 SB

Hello:

I have concerns about towing with my LC too. Yesterday we purchased a used 1999 Safari 27' and towed it for 3 hours back home in a wind driven rain storm from Paradise CA.

My LC is a 2003 with a towing capacity listed as 6,500#. It began as a white knockle ride as I have never towed an RV before. Wow, by the time I got home I was very comfortable with the combination. If I was towing anything besides an Airstream my results I'm sure would not have been the same. The purchase included a Reese hitch system that worked great.

Our plans are travel in the Sacramento valley and CA coast, avoiding the Sierra Nevada's and the like for now.

As we gain more experience in RVing, another TV will be considered to extend our trips to higher grounds.

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Great bob, any pics of your new rig yet?
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