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Old 06-13-2013, 09:19 PM   #1
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How hot is too hot

I was hopeing to take off in Sept and visit Arizona and Utah.Due to schedule problems It looks like we may go most of July. In Georgia if it's 95 degrees we really feel it because of humidity. How difficult will it be out west with reports well in the hundreds. I have heard it is a different type of heat. Should we go?
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:33 PM   #2
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It is a dry heat but so is my oven and you won't see me sticking my head in there...

Your AC is, at best, good for about 20 degrees from ambient so 110 in Vegas is 90 in the trailer...

Come up to Yellowstone. 80 is a hot day.

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Sedona isn't terrible, Flagstaff is actually ok. The low-altitude places will be roasting, though.
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Your AC is, at best, good for about 20 degrees from ambient so 110 in Vegas is 90 in the trailer...
Your A/C should be good for a 20 degree differential from the temp of the intake air going into the A/C inside the trailer. Outside temp, direct sun or shade, and insulation qualities are all a contributor to the heat gain you may experience, but the outside temp, on its own, does not limit how cool you can get the inside of the trailer unless your A/C is marginal in capacity as compared to the heat gain.

As the trailer cools down inside, that 20 degree differential continues. I see 100 degrees outside often, but inside my trailer can get to the 70's easy. It's a 27' Avion with a single 15k unit.

Just because it is 100 outside does not mean you can only get the inside to 80. If so, you have other issues that need to be looked at.

See this thread:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f427...ml#post1303829

Dry heat - it's not near as bad as humid and hot..........and I grew up in Houston!

And the dewpoint is the key, not relative humidity.
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Being from Arizona there is no way I would stay in Phoenix in July let alone in September! We see 115+ even in September. That is way to hot!!!!
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Northern New Mexico and Northern Arizona can be warm in July but cool nights. Also plenty to see in the Colorado mountains. Stay out of the desert.
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The ability of your Airstream to cope with temperatures aside, from those who have lived in those conditions year round, there are common sense opinions on how you may cope which may be given. I took college in Tucson, seeing 124 in the shade my final summer before moving to Minnesota (where I saw -41 that first winter..)

Your major concern is going to be water - "dry heat" feels great because your sweat evaporates as soon as it is produced; or very shortly thereafter. Feeling dry helps you feel cool. However, you have little to no warning over heat stroke until it's upon you. In Tucson, come July and August, the streets go deserted between the high heat hours of 11-2 or so. You want to be inside or in steady shade during those hours - and during all hours you want to have a water bottle with you. You want good hydration; constantly drinking to satisfy the three C's of urination: you want it clear, you want it copious and you want to have a constant need to go. you want to ensure your nutrients are up to scratch. I've seen friends take too much water out of caution. Finally, exposed skin is burned skin in minutes - my sophomore year at Arizona, a girl in my apartment complex perished from sun tanning in under 30 minutes of direct full body exposure at the noon hour.

Having said, southern Arizona is amazing during July and August. Early monsoon season is amazing in the desert - from flower and wildlife viewing to the sheer intensity of storms forming up and rolling off of Mt Lemmon into the valley mid to late afternoon. The camps and boondocking in the mountains are always a nice respite from the heat and the trail systems throughout the various ranges are all amazing.

Good luck and if you make the trip at that time year, take some cautions and enjoy yourself!

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What kind of activities will you want to do?

Hiking? Sight seeing from your tow vehicle?
Hiking is the way to get to see the very cool places. It seems that " they " leave and or create obstacles to prevent motorhomes, trailers, or luxury sedans from getting even close to any pristine wilderness areas. So drop off your trailer when car sight seeing ( also that might prevent you from engine overheating ) I go desert trekking at the end of May when daytime temps are about 95, dropping to 50 about 15 minutes after sundown.
IMPORTANT SURVIVAL TIPS. Sipping water only helps your mouth be comfortable. You need to gulp water for it to get to your brain. Don't leave plastic water bottles on the ground. ( critters will get at them ) Carry at least one gallon of water per day per person.
I try to limit hiking to 5 to 9 am and pm. Caves, Slot Canyons, air conditioned bars and diners is how I avoid the mid day heat. ( Siesta ) Altitude is another way avoid harsh temps.
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Ha, this thread is getting me psyched up to drive drive the the Mojave desert next month with only a 13.5K AC unit. May just park the stream and get a hotel room.

I have driven that same desert from Needles CA to Palm Springs in a VW Bus with NO ac, but was smart enough to do it at NIGHT and it was still 108 degrees at two in the morning.
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Don't know if you travel with pets...but it would go without saying that they shouldn't be left in a car or trailer in those kind of temperatures - even for a short time.

Personally, I would opt for a cool hotel room that time of year...my folks live in Scotsdale and I never visit between Memorial Day & Oct 1st - I don't like the heat, even if it is a "dry heat".

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Note to non-Arizonans: It is illegal to leave children or pets (animal cruelty law for pets) in unattended vehicles in this state. Possible fines and jail time await offenders, due to almost inevitable death. We have child and pet deaths and heat-related injuries here every year. If you are lucky, a passerby will break into your vehicle and remove them; but expect police to be waiting for you when you return.
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Note to non-Arizonans: It is illegal to leave children or pets (animal cruelty law for pets) in unattended vehicles in this state. Possible fines and jail time await offenders, due to almost inevitable death. We have child and pet deaths and heat-related injuries here every year. If you are lucky, a passerby will break into your vehicle and remove them; but expect police to be waiting for you when you return.
Is this true without exception, in all seasons? One of the things I like about my Ford is that when traveling alone I can leave the engine (and air conditioning) running, lock the doors with the keypad and go into a truck stop to the bathroom or to purchase something so the dog stays comfortable.
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Stay to the higher elevations. The North rim is a nice area. I do not like heat. But by being flexible you should be able to find spots. If you are at decent elevation it cools off at night. July might be better than August or early Sept.
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Note to non-Arizonans: It is illegal to leave children or pets (animal cruelty law for pets) in unattended vehicles in this state. Possible fines and jail time await offenders, due to almost inevitable death. We have child and pet deaths and heat-related injuries here every year. If you are lucky, a passerby will break into your vehicle and remove them; but expect police to be waiting for you when you return.
Is this true without exception, in all seasons? One of the things I like about my Ford is that when traveling alone I can leave the engine (and air conditioning) running, lock the doors with the keypad and go into a truck stop to the bathroom or to purchase something so the dog stays comfortable.
I think I found the exact answer.

Arizona 13-2910 A. 7. seems to say: A person commits cruelty to animals if the person intentionally, knowingly or recklessly leaves an animal unattended and confined in a motor vehicle and physical injury to or death of the animal is likely to result.

It would then seem that leaving the dog for a brief period in a reliable truck with the engine and AC running (and locked to avoid running afoul of laws like one in Texas that makes it a violation to leave your keys in the car with the door unlocked) would be permissible.
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