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Old 05-12-2014, 10:09 AM   #57
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FYI:

Direct-Drive Vs. Pulley Drive:
Most modern generators, including all current Honda models, operate under direct drive. The engine crankshaft is directly connected to the moving parts of the generator. Here's an open-frame model that shows the engine and generator bolted directly together:



Really, REALLY old Honda generators (pre 1975) used a belt and pulley design where the engine crankshaft had a drive pulley connected to a belt than turned another pulley on the generator. Here's what it looks like:


I am not aware of any current portable generators (500 - 10,000 watts) that still use a belt-drive design.

Timing Stuff, Gears and Belts
Many small gas engines use a gear on the crankshaft to drive the camshaft. This includes all but a couple of Honda models, which use a toothed timing belt design. It's very similar to the one used in a car engine, but unlike those, the timing belt in a Honda generator is good for the life of the generator, and does not require regular replacement.

Rated "Life" of the Engine and EPA
Small gas engines are subject to EPA and California emissions regulations. Each manufacturer is required to state the expected period of time the engine is expected to maintain legal emissions levels. This is called the Air Index. Here's the chart that describes it:



Notice the "Emissions Durability" column; this the number of hours the engine is expected to provide acceptable levels of emissions. This is not the expected "life" of the engine, just the emissions durability.

No current portable generator manufacturer publishes a "life" specification, period. They all just give you X number of years of warranty, and absolutely no promise or warranty of how long the engine will last.
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Old 05-15-2014, 05:17 PM   #58
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I have two Honda 2000 connect them together, I have 4000, enough to run my A/C and then some. Each one weights about 40lbs I can handle them in and out of the truck. When I stop at a road rest area I start only one for the micro oven, TV. The 3000 weighs about 130lbs and only gives you 2800 watts
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Old 05-15-2014, 05:25 PM   #59
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One Honda 3000 weight is about 130 lbs, one 2000 is about 40 lbs. I have two 2000 Honda so I can handle them in and out of the truck by myself. If I need a little power, start one, if A-C is needed, start both. When we camp knowing we don't need the A-C we take one.
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Old 05-15-2014, 07:21 PM   #60
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I think 2 Honda 2000's give you 3200 watts.
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Old 05-15-2014, 07:29 PM   #61
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I just received an ad from Northern Tool, they advertise a Powermate 2000 that is comparable to the Honda 2000i, for $549, what are the groups thoughts
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Old 05-15-2014, 07:33 PM   #62
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There is no denying the EU3000iS is a heavy machine. I can lift ours by myself still so we keep it. I do sometimes wish for a smaller (lighter actually) unit and when I begin thinking about replacements, I always end up thinking that it would simply be a step in the wrong direction. Our Honda is powerful enough to run our trailer in its entirety, it is uber-quiet, it has been as reliable as any Honda product and did I say it is quiet? Quiet counts a lot in our book. As long as we can deal with it's heft it will stay.
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I just received an ad from Northern Tool, they advertise a Powermate 2000 that is comparable to the Honda 2000i, for $549, what are the groups thoughts
On NT's website I see a Powerhorse and a Powerhouse inverter generator in the 2k range, no Powermate. I opened my NT propaganda packet just now and around here they have a Powerhorse 2000w peak (1600 rated) with a free parallel kit for $599. I've never heard of Powerhorse before... it claims a 2-year warranty, and if NT fulfills the warranty that would be good. If you have to find a Powerhorse service point it might not...
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On NT's website I see a Powerhorse and a Powerhouse inverter generator in the 2k range, no Powermate. I opened my NT propaganda packet just now and around here they have a Powerhorse 2000w peak (1600 rated) with a free parallel kit for $599. I've never heard of Powerhorse before... it claims a 2-year warranty, and if NT fulfills the warranty that would be good. If you have to find a Powerhorse service point it might not...
I believe this is good advice. I would go one further and point out that a Honda while more expensive is after all a Honda (or for that matter a Yamaha is a Yamaha). When I see these knock off products I tend to keep lo keep looking. Even if the company is legitimately building and supporting a quality product (and that is a big if...) the next question I have is "will parts be available next year? How about in 2 or 3 years". I have had some experience with this in the world of Chinese scooters. While some are decent designs most have virtually no parts support. I have seen people spend more these knockoffs than a real name brand product would have cost only to throw them away in disgust.

Just saying...
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The retained value on Honda and Yamaha generators is phenomenal, easy to see when you peruse Craigslist or Kijiji. This is seldom the case for used SOB generators.
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