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Old 05-12-2006, 06:28 PM   #15
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Besides I can neither train my wife to be an A-gunner, nor does she demonstrate the required attention to discipline.

My first wife was an excellent shot. However, my beautiful bride of 25 + years can accomplish more with her charm and diplomacy than a heavily armed battalion of Marines.
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Old 05-12-2006, 06:51 PM   #16
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Any traveler in NM may carry a loaded firearm concealed in the passenger compartment of their vehicle for personal protection. The same is true in AZ. In Colorado a loaded handgun must be in "plain view." Rifles and shotguns must also be in plain view in Colorado, but may not have a round in the chamber.
Actually this is NOT true for AZ. If you have a firearm and it is in plain site (not in a glove box) nothing is required. You can pack a hand gun on your hip if you want. If the firearm is concealed you must have a permit.

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Old 05-12-2006, 06:55 PM   #17
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What do you independent thinkers think about a Texan with a handgun permit being thrown in jail while RV'ing out of state just because he/she packed a piece in the toolbox and it was illegal in the new state? Has anyone ever had any problems with this? I'm rather torn between the whole matter?
If that were a situation, I agree with the outcome. Having a firearm in a tool box is criminal. Worse if the weapon was loaded and the tool box unlocked. Other people (kids) that are not trained in the use of it coud have gotten it with a far worse outcome than jail time.

Negligent handling of a firearm is a crime. My opinion only.

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Old 05-12-2006, 07:24 PM   #18
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Dear Action,
Not sure what part of my statement you think is NOT true.

In Arizona, you may may carry a holstered, loaded, unconcealed firearm on your person. Agree?

"Carrying a loaded handgun in your glove is legal without a permit as such carry is not considered concealed..." Has this statute been changed?

If so, I sincerely appreciate the update. I travel frequently across the border to Arizona and may have been operating under a statute that has been superceded. This thread is tacit proof that all states have different laws, and all laws are being constantly revising; usually towards stricter gun control.

We all want to be in strict compliance with the spirit and intent of the law, and at all times firearms safety is paramount and in my book supercedes that which at times may be technically permissible under the law.
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Old 05-12-2006, 07:25 PM   #19
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Just say NO!

I just had to chime in on this thread. The bottom line in a traffic stop is to volunteer no information. Do not display in plain sight (unless lawful in you state) any gun, or other item that could be constituted to be illegal or suspicious. To do so, ie volunteering information to wit, can constitute "probable cause" for a search, then seizure, then likely your arrest.
If you are asked by a law enforcement officer if he/they could search your vehicle your answer should always be a polite NO! You may decline without much fuss and be on your way (with a ticket or warning) for whatever the stop was made.
More folks find themselves on the inside looking out as a result of allowing improper search of their private property than you can imagine. Those folks you see by the side of the interstate with the three squad cars and the dogs and their belongings on the shoulder could have avoided the entire nightmare by saying NO!
Without probable cause nobody may search your vehicle without your permission. If a law enforcement officer attempts to search without your permission you should ask him to stop until his supervisor is summoned and you have a moment to call your attorney.
The same advise stands for any arrest. For whatever reason do not offer any information. If you are given your rights (Miranda) exersize them. Do not speak with anyone until you have an attorney present.
All that said, if you are polite, show a modicum of respect to the officer who stopped you, you should be on your way in short order.
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Old 05-12-2006, 08:00 PM   #20
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carrying a gun in your RV or TV

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If you do carry a hand gun in your vehicle. Do not keep it where you can readily get to it or keep the ammo locked in the trunk, trailer or some other hard to reach area.
It is fun to have someone mention carrying a gun because it gets folks spinning excitedly in circles and making all sorts of stupid statements.

The best course of action is to get the facts then make your own decisions.

SilverRanger had the best advice;
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Try this site:
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At the top of the page, hit 'state ccdw info'
Then find the RV Carry Map
It will give you state by state information on transporting weapons.

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Folks should realize that there are some bad people around.

If you should decide to not own a gun or keep it unloaded and locked in some inaccessable place then you should remember your decision while you are getting robbed/raped/murdered.

Thinking people should know that the large majority of the states do provide legal means to keep a gun where it is useful.
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Old 05-12-2006, 08:09 PM   #21
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Question Weapons to Canada ...

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I do know that if you plan to go to Canada, you cannot bring you gun....AT ALL, so don't bring it cause they'll sieze it or deny you entry into Canada....maybe even haul you off to jail.
My experience differs from that statement. Entering from Montana and exiting into Washington I did not have a problem.

I travel with my Gun Dog, shotguns & a large amount of ammo. At the Canadian border, I declared the weapon ... was told to bring it into the border office & register it ... paid a very minor fee for the paperwork and left with a single sheet copy - documenting the weapon's entry into Canada.

I was told that if I were questioned while visiting Canada, simply show the document.

Handgun policy may differ, I have no experience in that area.
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Old 05-12-2006, 08:11 PM   #22
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Dear Action,
Not sure what part of my statement you think is NOT true.

In Arizona, you may may carry a holstered, loaded, unconcealed firearm on your person. Agree?

"Carrying a loaded handgun in your glove is legal without a permit as such carry is not considered concealed..." Has this statute been changed?

If so, I sincerely appreciate the update. I travel frequently across the border to Arizona and may have been operating under a statute that has been superceded. This thread is tacit proof that all states have different laws, and all laws are being constantly revising; usually towards stricter gun control.

We all want to be in strict compliance with the spirit and intent of the law, and at all times firearms safety is paramount and in my book supercedes that which at times may be technically permissible under the law.
I think I stand corrected.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=AZ

The page reads in part:
It is unlawful to carry a firearm concealed within the immediate control of any person in or on a means of transportation. This does not apply to firearms carried in a case, holster or scabbard in a means of transportation or a storage compartment, trunk, pack, luggage, or glove compartment of a means of transportation.

So if the firearm is in a holster it's OK in the glovebox. NO holster or case, you my friend are breaking the law in AZ.

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Old 05-12-2006, 08:13 PM   #23
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My experience differs from that statement. Entering from Montana and exiting into Washington I did not have a problem.

I travel with my Gun Dog, shotguns & a large amount of ammo. At the Canadian border, I declared the weapon ... was told to bring it into the border office & register it ... paid a very minor fee for the paperwork and left with a single sheet copy - documenting the weapon's entry into Canada.

I was told that if I were questioned while visiting Canada, simply show the document.
That is Mexico.

Going to Mexico you DO NOT want to take ANY firearms. Jail is where you go if you get across. And Mexican jails are not a holiday or anything close to it.

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Old 05-12-2006, 08:24 PM   #24
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My grandfather

I will always remember the advice of my grandfather, who was somewhat of an outlaw himself (produced and sold liquor during Prohibition), gave me when I was a teenager. He asked me if I wanted to know the "only sure way to beat the law", to which I replied "Sure do!". He said " Obey it".

I have an evidence locker full of deadly weapons, from crossbows, Saturday Night Specials, to full-auto assault weapons. None of which were seized because we had "little to do". Typically, if they weren't directly used in a crime, they were seized in relation to another one. I have always tried to instill in my officers to enforce the intent of the law, over the letter of the law.

That being said, GlennCoombe, your advice to give only the information that is required by law, is sound.
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Silvertwinkie,

Just to set the record straight there are presently 37 states that issue concealed carry license to their citizens and two states (Alaska and Vermont) that have no restrictions.

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Are you saying that states where a town allows it is considered a state that allows it, even though the majority of the state is not carry, let alone conceal? Is this for plain citizens? Are the guns loaded and say on a hip holster?

We have property in MI and there are no carry laws allowing regular citizens to carry a loaded wepon on them, let alone conceal it, yet I see MI is on the list of possible states that "allow" one to carry a loaded weapon on their person.

In Texas, nearly every place I've traveled had folks carrying. This has not been my exp in approx 30 of the 50 states I've traveled. Matter of fact, in some places in TX there are signs in some public buildings that restrict bringing a loaded gun carried on a person (concealed or not) into some buildings.

I'm not trying to dispute the link, just never seen anyone carry a loaded gun in public, except in Texas.
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And Mexican jails are not a holiday or anything close to it.

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Here in the free southern states, aka The RED States, we sometimes take to literal interpretations of documents. For example;
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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Old 05-12-2006, 08:47 PM   #28
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Actually, this is not a true story. But having a gun while traveling with bears, javelinas, and terrorists out there seems to be my constitutional rights. I actually had 15 javelinas come up to my telescope at 12 pm one night and they were looking for my dogs (they are very territorial). I do own 2 books on gunlaws in the USA. And I don't actually store my guns in the toolbox. Thx for replies.

I have to ask why you posted a fabrication then later decide to call it a Hypotheticl story. You then admit to owning 2 books on gun laws, seems odd and a lot like a troll.

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