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Old 01-15-2011, 03:39 PM   #15
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Well, my opinion is oil (and gasoline) are going up and up. It is a fact. What we need to support is beaming (Star Trek) technology. We just beam our AS to the spot we want to go. smile But if and when humans can have this technology then we will not have to worry about oil at all!
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Old 01-15-2011, 04:11 PM   #16
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The US has about 2% of the world's oil reserves - and consumes more than 20% of the world's oil production.
Fuel prices are a non-trivial cost for the RV community. We seem strangely willing to accept the "conventional wisdom" as fait accompli.

It is the 20% we need to be focused on - probably reasonable for the world largest economy (for now anyway). The biggest customer gets the best price.

China's energy policy is based on an extrapolation of the US energy model, their economic growth target puts them to eventually be consuming 80% of the world's energy. They are aggressively going after every BTU they can, wherever they can, far into the future. Kinda like we did to build this nation.

hmmm 55mph... I know I've heard of that solution somewhere before
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Old 01-15-2011, 04:50 PM   #17
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The saving grace of this is that an aerodynamic, lightweight trailer s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-s fuel use. Proper planning on a daily or weekly basis makes the most of that expense.
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Old 01-15-2011, 04:59 PM   #18
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If you're interested in the supply/demand picture for crude and refined products - go to the U.S. Energy Information Administrations (EIA) website. From that site, the peak year of U.S. imports was 2007 with a significant reduction since then such that we are currently importing at the same level as 2003. What I didn't realize is that we export oil products as well, mostly refined products and that trend is very interesting. From 1992 to about 2006 the level of exports were flat at 1,000,000 barrels per day. From 2006 the amount of exports have steadily increased to the current amount of about 2,200,000 barrels per day.

So while imports of crude oil and products has been decreasing since 2007, the amount of oil products we export has been increasing over the period.

While supply and demand drives the price - much of the world supply is controlled by a cartel that controls production, while U.S. supply is tightened by how much is exported from the U.S.

Don't think that getting away from oil is going to make energy costs cheaper - there are some very familiar oil names in alternative energy as well - B.P. and Shell both have large solar cell operations. And the largest source of materials for batteries (and permanent magnets for electric motors) for electric vehicles - the so called rare earth elements is China, who recently announced that they were lowering the amounts of those materials that they would be exporting this year.

So - we're going to pay - one way or the other....

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Old 01-15-2011, 05:02 PM   #19
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You know, the drill-more theory basically means that we'll export US oil to the major users. Good for the short term profit of some, but not a lot to deal with our high prices.

A newer story goes like this: Drill as little a possible and use only foreign oil. It'll be costly in the short run. But once those foreign reserves start dwindling, guess who will be sitting on a bunch of oil.

I don't mean any of this as a serious story. Just fun to think about.


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Old 01-15-2011, 07:42 PM   #20
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The last times these fuel prices with out of sight the bottom dropped out of everthing else. This is an issue that effects the economic being of the World. The prices will continue to rise regardless of what we do. The oil compaines are not going to turn lose of their profits. Our economy is just starting to make a very slow recovery and now we are looking at climbing fuel prices. Truckers are realing pay the price. Most truck stops around here are charging 20+ cents per gallon more that other stations.

I'm scared of what is going to happen to the economic situration as the prices continue to climb.
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Old 01-15-2011, 08:29 PM   #21
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The last times these fuel prices with out of sight the bottom dropped out of everthing else. This is an issue that effects the economic being of the World. The prices will continue to rise regardless of what we do. The oil compaines are not going to turn lose of their profits. Our economy is just starting to make a very slow recovery and now we are looking at climbing fuel prices. Truckers are realing pay the price. Most truck stops around here are charging 20+ cents per gallon more that other stations.

I'm scared of what is going to happen to the economic situration as the prices continue to climb.
^^^ Damage it for sure, once gas hits somewhere close to the $4 a gallon mark the economy starts to take a hit, due to people having to divert money from other uses to pay for fuel. It is a double edged sword, when you have an economy based on consumer consumption and cheap energy.

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Old 01-15-2011, 08:48 PM   #22
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As we are now on a fixed "retirement" income as of the end of this year, we are looking at fuel prices for our trips. We can and will limit our trips around home. We will now look at taking a few more days to explore areas where we stop, on our way to where ever it is our final distination.
It just takes some rethinking.
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