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Old 06-12-2014, 01:06 PM   #113
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:47 PM   #114
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Brian,
If your thinking about replacing your truck and still plan on the same setup then you would most likely be happier with the diesel engine. Your setup needs to be heavy duty. I believe some of the bugs have been worked out of the new diesel engines emissions systems but they are increasingly complex and costly to fix.

If your just replacing your SUV there are many vehicle options that would do fine to pull your 23' trailer. I would check out a diesel SUV by Mercedes, Jeep Grand Cherokee or consider the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. Any of these would give you decent fuel mileage.
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Old 06-12-2014, 04:09 PM   #115
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Looking at specifications on companies website the F-250 is longer (almost a foot), a lot heavier and slightly wider and taller than the F-150 for the same layout. Same is pretty much true for the Dodge 1500/2500 (according to their website). Didn't check the Chevy but it would fit the pattern if so. So to get the big diesel one needs to get the bigger truck. Another of my considerations is being able to fit the vehicle into the garage. I recall the F-250 would only fit if I busted out the interior sheetrock opposite the door.
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Old 06-12-2014, 06:12 PM   #116
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As of right now, if you want a 1/2 pickup with a diesel, I believe that your only option is the RAM (Fiat/Chrysler.) Other manufacturers are rumored to be considering diesels in their 1/2 tons but I don't think anyone other than Fiat/Chrysler has made the commitment.

There are a number of SUV's with diesels including Jeep, Mercedes, VW, and BMW. Not sure in Porsche is importing the diesel Cayenne to the US (just saw one in Europe recently.) My information may be a bit out of date so if diesel SUV's interests you, best to check around.

The difference between the 1/2 and 3/4 ton pickups are substantial. I am most familiar with the Ford and I can safely say that the only common part between the F-150 1/2 ton and the F-250 3/4 ton models is the Ford logo. This is true for GM and Chrysler as well. There is no doubt that a 3/4 ton pickup (diesel or gas) is not the most nimble urban cruiser you can purchase. They do have their purpose however if you need the capabilities they provide.
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Old 06-12-2014, 06:18 PM   #117
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Kch, I think you are incorrect, check for specifics. Jim
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Old 06-12-2014, 06:37 PM   #118
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I am hopeful that Ford, GM, and Dodge will come up with a fix for their DEF systems.

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What is wrong with the DEF systems?

I have a 2013 F-250 Platinum and could not be happier. My DEF usage is very slight and the vehicle has plenty of power and torque to pull the mountains in Colorado where I live.

I get great fuel milage and drive a clean air vehicle that exhausts clean air. I have driven diesels most of my life and the new crop of trucks from Ford and Dodge are some of the best I have ever owned.

I would not worry about DEF, if I were you. It is really a mute point when it comes to buying a new diesel.
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Old 06-12-2014, 06:59 PM   #119
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For those that want a 1/2 ton Dodge with the new diesel engine, I am sure that Dodge will welcome you to buy one and test their first year production of their new V-6 diesel. You might be reminded of the first year that Ford came out with their 6.0 and dwell on that for a moment.
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:25 PM   #120
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If you are going to place blame for failed engines you should place it where it belongs.

IH told Ford the limitation of the 6.0 engine and Ford chose to bastardize it to compete with the Cummings. A mistake.

Stanadyne told GM the pump for the 6.2 was not ready but GM made them supply it and made them stand behind the defective FSD almost bankrupting them.

Thankfully most of these problems can be overcome. After 2 failure of the FSD on my GM 6.2 I mounted it under the bumper for cooling and it will last forever.

As for the Ford 6.0 there are a few modes that remove the weak point also.

I love this info on gas or diesel and see a lot acronym thrown around..

take for instance the above thread explaining after "2 failures of the FSD on a 6.2L" etc.. so what is a FSD.. i wish folk would remember not everyone know every acronym thrown around. I read some of the diesel forum and heard about a HPOP not knowing what the hell that was till someone did high pressure oil pump (HPOP) and then it all clicked what they were talking about..

SO how about if we are going to use an acronym put the actual name first then the (acronym) after it so we can all follow along.

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" . . This required a one ton long bed to do the job. The truck and camper together weigh 11,600#. When we tack on the Airstream, we are hovering around 19,000# of rolling stock. We had never owned a diesel powered vehicle before. All of our research disclosed that we were far beyond the capabilities of a gasoline truck engine. "

I own a TD truck yet often argue against a truck, much less a TD 1T. You, however are comfortably within the range of what this truck type is built for. The latest revison of the Dodge is the first time I've wanted a new truck over my 2004 CTD as the changes are that significant. For you, the DRW 3500-series with optional Aisin-Warner automatic is a match. No other brand touches this combo. If you want more tire and axle then a 4500 is a possibility, too.

GM TD trucks are pretty much an RV'er thing. Those who earn a living using 1T trucks beyond their rated capacity have chosen DODGE for more than a decade, and for very good reasons. I was one of them. Ford, unfortunately, is still a crapshoot (HPFP pump). Design life on a Cummins is 385k, and Ford/GM are no more than 225k. DEF is a non-issue in my opinion. The positives outweigh every single negative.

All these brands are far more expensive and complicated than before. But at 19k a gasser is going to work far too hard. Were you a "vacationer" versus being a "full-timer" I might relent in that, but you are not. "Continous duty" is the hallmark of a diesel. They are relentless where a gasser seems to tire as the day goes on.

Good luck

P.S. My fuel cpm figures are at $4/gl diesel. The 2014s appear to match it overall (but likely won't match my 21-mpg U]average[/U] the past 46k miles unless the operator is also committed to lowest fuel burn for a given task).

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Old 06-12-2014, 11:26 PM   #122
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Brian,
I believe some of the bugs have been worked out of the new diesel engines emissions systems but they are increasingly complex and costly to fix.
The 13/14 ram diesels have done a great job with getting rid of the annoying little emision related Ck engine light issues.Getting rid the 02 sensors and adding urea has been great for getting increased power and better fuel mileage.
As far as the repairs being costly..........well only after the warranties expire will you ever have to consider that aspect.The new aisin transmission has proven to be a very robust unit.
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For those that want a 1/2 ton Dodge with the new diesel engine, I am sure that Dodge will welcome you to buy one and test their first year production of their new V-6 diesel. You might be reminded of the first year that Ford came out with their 6.0 and dwell on that for a moment.
Did the 6.0 ever become a good engine?
I have heard if you add a bunch of aftermarket parts they become useable.One problem being in Cali everything has to get carb certified to be legal
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:56 AM   #124
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For those that want a 1/2 ton Dodge with the new diesel engine, I am sure that Dodge will welcome you to buy one and test their first year production of their new V-6 diesel. You might be reminded of the first year that Ford came out with their 6.0 and dwell on that for a moment.
Actually, the Ram V6 EcoDiesel is almost three years old now - its currently available in the Grand Cherokee in the US market. It is built by VM Motori Cento, a 67 year diesel engine specialty company owned by Penske and GM since 2003, then Fiat bought out Penske's ownership share in 2011 so it is now a 50:50 joint GM/Fiat company. VM's diesels have been installed in Ford, Chrysler, General Motors, Lancia, Daimeler, Rover and Alfa Romeo vehicles among others and enjoys a superior reputation as the heart of London's taxi fleet. They are sorta the Cummins of Europe.

FYI - All our Interstate owners enjoy VM's V6 TurboDiesel engine in their rigs
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Actually, the Ram V6 EcoDiesel is almost three years old now - its currently available in the Grand Cherokee in the US market. It is built by VM Motori Cento, a 67 year diesel engine specialty company owned by Penske and GM since 2003, then Fiat bought out Penske's ownership share in 2011 so it is now a 50:50 joint GM/Fiat company. VM's diesels have been installed in Ford, Chrysler, General Motors, Lancia, Daimeler, Rover and Alfa Romeo vehicles among others and enjoys a superior reputation as the heart of London's taxi fleet. They are sorta the Cummins of Europe.

FYI - All our Interstate owners enjoy VM's V6 TurboDiesel engine in their rigs
The interstates do not use vm.They are mb,The diesels in the prior years G/Cs were also Mb,the new models have changed to vm
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