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Old 06-08-2014, 04:46 PM   #29
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It costs more because it is (at least in 2011) the #1 US export item. It's worth more in Europe.

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Old 06-08-2014, 05:44 PM   #30
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Just for the record I have owned 3 Ford diesels, a Chevy diesel and a VW diesel pickup. Been there done that.
no wonder you don't like diesel
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Old 06-08-2014, 06:36 PM   #31
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We have had our F 250 Diesel for two years and like it a lot and now even more that diesel is cheaper then mid and premium.
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Old 06-08-2014, 07:21 PM   #32
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We're on our fourth tow vehicle being the 2005 2500 Duramax that we bought back on 2005 new. We are still on our first Airstream that we bought in 1996, the 1972 31' Land yacht.
Vehicle number 1, 1985 1500 Suburban standard 350 CI, under powered traded it as we had 120K on it.
vehicle number 2, 1996 GMC Suburban 454, 410 rear end, loved this vehicle. After replacing rear wheel seals (3x), new AC and with 150K it was not trustworthy so we traded it in 2002 for a
Vehicle number 3, a 2500 Avalanche 8.1, 410 rear end, brand new. Would have bought a new suburban, but there was NOT as 2500 on the lot and the incentives on the Avalanche were real good. This thing was a beast. But again, three rear ends under warranty replaced, we traded for the current
Vehicle number 4, Silverado (LT) 2500 Diesel TV in 2005. Avalanche had 72K on it.

All the vehicles I commuted in (DC, Colorado, Texas) and the diesel has had the better mileage. The avalanche was 12 mpg regardless of load.

With the new Chevy 355 engine, I would trade in a heart beat, if, IF, we start having problems with the Duramax. The estimated 17/23 with regular fuel we don't pull enough now to offset the diesel costs. However, you can buy allot of fuel for a $71K new suburban.

Just my thoughts, love the diesel, have had it 10 years and it tows effortlessly at 70-75 MPH getting o/a 16 mpg as long as I ensure that I set that odometer at 18-22 prior to putting the load on the truck. But is is a truck.

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Old 06-08-2014, 09:37 PM   #33
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You have not taken into consideration the higher value of your diesel truck as a trade or to sell a few years down the road. The diesel will be worth 4-5 K more than the comparable gas truck.
This whole analysis is totally bogus. Gas is the same price as diesel??? You must be kidding. Oil changes and DEF alone adds $150 vs $20 for a gas oil change and $10 for a fuel filter every 15k. It really doesn't matter if you can tow 25k with a diesel engine when you are only towing around 10k with a 30' Classic. Paying $7-9,000 additional at the initial cost extra for a diesel engine can buy one hell of a lot of gasoline.Not to mention the extra cost of fuel additives, winter fuel issues and worry about bad fuel. I'll give you diesel heads the HP plus at around 25-35 HP difference than the new gas engines and I'll also give you 150-200 lbs. of torque, but you don't need it. One thing about all that torque is that you can get instantly stuck. Too much torque can get you in trouble. My 2008 V-10 can hang with every diesel engine on the market except for the latest ones from 2014. I have 140,000 miles and 1/2 is towing. It has never been to the shop except for a cruise control sensor. Changed the plugs at 90k, serviced the tranny and boxes every 50k. Best, most dependable truck I've ever owned.
BTW, there are more V-10's in Class C RV's than any all other engines combined including all diesels, reason being the V-10 is more dependable and cost less to operate than any other engine made. No brag just fact.
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Old 06-08-2014, 09:47 PM   #34
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no wonder you don't like diesel
I really have no problem with the Cummins diesel engine, but like has been said before, the biggest problem with the Cummins is the Dodge. Terrible frames, terrible front ends, terrible trannies, terrible electronics and terrible warranty issues. If you have a good one, then good on ya'. I work in the pipeline construction industry and most of the welders have Dodge trucks with the Cummins. I hear all of the problems with Dodge trucks. They all wish that Ford would run Cummins diesel engines. But.....the new Ford 6.7's are slowly taking the place of Dodge Cummins diesels. The question is still, does one need a diesel engine to tow an Airstream trailer, and the answer is NO, you don't need a diesel engine to tow an Airstream, a gas pickup will do the job for a lot less money, up front and for the long run.
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Old 06-09-2014, 12:30 PM   #35
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Pappy the V10 isn't offered in a current Ford Pickup looking at the Ford site. Appears it is only offered on commercial Ford chassis products. So in the context of a new pickup it is smaller V8 gas or Diesel. Diesel vs Premium fuel here in Colorado is 10-15 cents difference in price.
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Old 06-09-2014, 12:37 PM   #36
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Ford discontinued the V10 in pickups a few years ago I believe because of poor fuel mileage. They also have a history of spitting spark plugs out of their aluminum cylinder heads.
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Here in the Florida Panhandle, the price of diesel is about 5 cent per gallon less than premium grade gasoline. If I am reading here that some of the new gasoline pick-up engines recommend premium gas, the gas/diesel price differential goes out the window.

If this is the case, the diesel looks a lot better.

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Here in the Florida Panhandle, the price of diesel is about 5 cent per gallon less than premium grade gasoline. If I am reading here that some of the new gasoline pick-up engines recommend premium gas, the gas/diesel price differential goes out the window.

If this is the case, the diesel looks a lot better.

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As far as I know, only the Ecoboost V6 will show any benefit from using mid-grade or premium gas, since the turbo+direct injection can adjust to take advantage of the higher octane. It should only make a difference when demanding all the power you can get out of it. You can run regular in it with no ill effects other than lower peak output. I think the 5.0 Coyote also specs regular unleaded, but I wouldn't swear to that without doing some research.

The Ecotec3 engines in Chevy/GMC trucks and the V6 and HEMI in RAM trucks all recommend regular, though I think in the "hot rod" HEMI trims they may recommend mid-grade. The current Tundra 5.7 also specs regular unleaded, if I recall correctly.
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Old 06-09-2014, 01:11 PM   #39
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Here in the Florida Panhandle, the price of diesel is about 5 cent per gallon less than premium grade gasoline. If I am reading here that some of the new gasoline pick-up engines recommend premium Gas, the gas/diesel price differential goes out the window.

If this is the case, the diesel looks a lot better.

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Hi, we can't base anything on the price of Gas versus Diesel; In my area, for the longest time, Diesel cost quite a bit more than Premium fuel and now is the same, or lower than Regular. So take your advantage when your fuel is at the best price. Note: all Gas stations have Gas, but not all of them have Diesel.
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Old 06-09-2014, 01:26 PM   #40
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Pappy the V10 isn't offered in a current Ford Pickup looking at the Ford site. Appears it is only offered on commercial Ford chassis products. So in the context of a new pickup it is smaller V8 gas or Diesel. Diesel vs Premium fuel here in Colorado is 10-15 cents difference in price.
Since when do work trucks require premium?
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Old 06-09-2014, 01:44 PM   #41
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I've been keeping an eye on the cost of diesel vs. gas in our area (SE MI) for the past couple of years the cost of diesel has generally been about 10 - 15% more expensive per gallon than gas. Recently that relationship has changed and diesel is about the same cost as regular gasoline. In one case, I actually paid about $0.20 per gallon less for diesel than for regular gasoline! Where it will be in a year is anyone's guess.

I provided all the information that one would need to rerun my previous analysis using any assumptions about the cost of fuel, miles driven, etc... in my previous post. I would encourage anyone to run the analysis using whatever assumptions you think apply to your situation and post them in this thread (along with your assumptions please.) No one is going to be impressed or moved to action based on unsubstantiated and emotional proclamations or rants. I'd like to think that the members of this forum are better than that!

I believe that anyone using any realistic real world assumptions would still get a payback period of going with diesel vs. gas to be less than six years (it was 4 1/2 using my assumptions which totally ignored the higher resale as someone pointed out.) And my numbers were based on a new truck, I'm sure that the difference in cost between a comparable used diesel vs. used gas truck is less than the $8,300 premium for the new Ford which would shorten the payback period.

I still maintain that in the scheme of $4,000 to $6,000 annual fuel purchases, a couple hundred dollars a year for DEF and more expensive oil changes are irrelevant.)

So what does all this number pushing mean to me? In my opinion, the relatively short payback period renders the cost premium of diesel vs. gas truck somewhat moot.

That means you should get the type of engine that you prefer tow with and get out there to enjoy the camping experience!

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Had a F150 5.4 with a 3.55 rear end towing a 6,000 pound 25 footer and it did alright. Then I bought a new to me F250 V10 with 4.10 rear end towing the same 25 footer. The gas mileage is about the same at 10 to 11 when towing, but man what a difference in performance. I figure that I would have to tow between 200,000 and 300,000 miles to make up the difference between the F250 V10 and a new diesel. I have been told by others in two camping groups that there is not that much difference between the two.
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