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Old 03-28-2006, 02:15 PM   #29
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Little Checklists are better..

Mike-

Glad trip worked out well.. I think we've stayed in same camground down the hill by creek in Big Sur.. Won't mention our problems.. Not likely to be able to un-bend the jack stand, but they are easy to replace, with Atwood or other brands. Lifting at an angle is unstable, and any load moving around inside trailer when parked on angled jack stand might result in failure fracture and front of trailer on ground... I tried to pull ours forward when jack extended on concrete pad at house (strange screaking noise....) and so can speak with some authority.. We have shiny new jackstand, and some vintage owner here proudly willing to take old one and attempt to unbend flange...

As for checklists, as Pilot I am believer, but the shorter the better.. Real long and complicated ones get ignored or steps skipped. We keep a pair of these laminated and inside trailer (in case we lose or loan one out) and they work well, along with a walk-around... Tried scanned and reduced version with no luck. Attached now is MS Word version.. Colors just for variety, and to help move from item to item. Best part is that it works interchangeably from set up to prep for towing... You may want to search out dumb mistakes threads here, as there are a lot of fabulous learnings to enjoy...

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Old 03-28-2006, 02:17 PM   #30
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I looked at your lists, what is disconnect battery at door?
Right at the door there is a switch that disables the battery for storing the trailer. I think I am saying this correctly. It's like a breaker switch and by turning it off, all the battery powered items are shut off for certain.
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Old 03-28-2006, 03:25 PM   #31
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I sure you'll get a lot of comments about disconnecting the battery. This is a very bad idea, as your electric brakes will not function.

Welcome to the club - if it weren't for the adventure, we'd all stay in hotels.

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Old 03-28-2006, 03:38 PM   #32
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I sure you'll get a lot of comments about disconnecting the battery. This is a very bad idea, as your electric brakes will not function.
No, no, no. This isn't what happens. The brakes work perfectly fine as do all the various exterior lights. The battery disconnect switch is for interior items only.

I don't have my owner's manual handy so I can't explain this more accurately. Perhaps others could explain the function of this switch better than I. Also, this switch may be a feature of recent models. I simply do not know. Hope I haven't created any confusion or conveyed misinformation.
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Old 03-28-2006, 03:50 PM   #33
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Don't feel too bad... one of the first learning mistakes I did myself in my excitement to hook up was to raise the electric jack while the stabilizers were down... As you can imagine, even for only a few inches of force can damage the rear stabilzers as the front end raises up.

I always did wonder why we couldn't wire in a switch somewhere hidden that would disable the electric jack. I'm always afraid of kids or someone leaning against it may accidently trigger the switch and raise or lower it when it wasn't ready (i.e. at a campsite when the stabilizers are down).

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Old 03-28-2006, 04:14 PM   #34
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I sure you'll get a lot of comments about disconnecting the battery. This is a very bad idea, as your electric brakes will not function.

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We have the same 25' trailer as myoung. The brakes are operated by 12V current from your tow vehicle. An electonic controller is installed in line with the brakes in the tow vehicle. This controller will synchronize the trailer brakes with your tow vehicle brakes. It is designed to apply the trailer brakes when you hit the tow vehicle brakes. The brake controller has an adjustment knob to dial in the correct setting for safe comfortable stops.

I'm sure he has an electronic controller installed in his tow vehicle.

The battery disconnect switch located in the trailer will have no effect on the braking system.
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Old 03-28-2006, 04:42 PM   #35
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Battery cutoff switch

You'll have to reset the time on your clock (in the radio) and also anything else you have in the trailer; alarm clock, microwave clock, etc. So if you're just moving between campgrounds you might want to leave it on. If you're going to be on the road, your tow vehicle will provide a trickle charge to the battery so you can go ahead and leave it on. If you're storing it or not planning to use it for a week or more, you'll want to turn it off or risk running down your battery.

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Old 03-28-2006, 04:52 PM   #36
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I sure you'll get a lot of comments about disconnecting the battery. This is a very bad idea, as your electric brakes will not function.

Welcome to the club - if it weren't for the adventure, we'd all stay in hotels.

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Even if you remove the battery(s) the electric brakes should still function, they are powered from the brake controller in the TV. If the trailer was to break away, the breaks would not function once the cable from the TV pulls out.
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Numerous variations are out there. Personalizing your own departure checklist is best! Here are only a few, though the 1st isn't a departure or walk-around list at all...

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I woke up last night realizing my comment was incomplete. AZ has it right - if you lose connection with the tv, then it will be the battery that operates the brakes. But not if the disconnect is turned off. Sorry for the mistake.

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I woke up last night realizing my comment was incomplete. AZ has it right - if you lose connection with the tv, then it will be the battery that operates the brakes. But not if the disconnect is turned off.
So what you are suggesting is that when the switch is turned to the "store" position, the off position, the brakes will not function when the emergency disconnect plug is pulled from the trailer a-frame when the trailer brakes loose. Now, that is a major, MAJOR problem!!

If you are correct, then there ought to be a huge warning sign somewhere indicating that fact. Have I missed something? Can we get confirmation, because this is a serious safety issue.
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So what you are suggesting is that when the switch is turned to the "store" position, the off position, the brakes will not function when the emergency disconnect plug is pulled from the trailer a-frame when the trailer brakes loose. Now, that is a major, MAJOR problem!!

If you are correct, then there ought to be a huge warning sign somewhere indicating that fact. Have I missed something? Can we get confirmation, because this is a serious safety issue.
My reply was with the battery(s) removed from the trailer. My 75 does not have a battery disconnect switch. I have no knowledge of what it does.
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Old 03-29-2006, 08:09 AM   #41
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So sorry you had that experience Mike. We all get our first trip/or later oops! I learn daily from the collective wisdom and checklists on this forum! We were lucky to benefit from the wisdom of others on our first trip out, and gave copies of some forum arrival/departure checklists to the folks who bought our 79. I'm sure that it helped.

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So what you are suggesting is that when the switch is turned to the "store" position, the off position, the brakes will not function when the emergency disconnect plug is pulled from the trailer a-frame when the trailer brakes loose. Now, that is a major, MAJOR problem!!

If you are correct, then there ought to be a huge warning sign somewhere indicating that fact. Have I missed something? Can we get confirmation, because this is a serious safety issue.
I spoke with the AS dealer and they verified this:


In the event of an accidental separation of the TV and the trailer, the break-away switch will set and lock the trailer brakes for a sufficient length of time to stop the trailer. The switch is activated when the wire attached to it and to the TV pulls out the small pin in the front of the unit.

This switch will function no matter what position your battery disconnect is in.
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