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Old 02-12-2014, 12:08 AM   #29
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Do you take them on the road with you? Why? Why not? Do you keep them in your Airstream? TV? Take them into National or State Parks? I've got a long trip coming up and I plan on bringing mine, for those low frequency but high risk situations...
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Welcome to Airforums, and congratulations on walking into one of the forum's mine fields!

(I would also suggest avoiding questions about tow vehicles, weight distributing hitches, etc. Like guns, these seem to be theological issues. )

If you are going to travel with firearm(s) two sources of information that you you will find helpful to stay out of legal trouble are a current copy of the Travelers Guide to the Firearms Laws of the Fifty States 2014 Traveler's Guide to the Firearms Laws of the Fifty States

and internet access to Handgunlaw.us .

And of course, stay out of Canada, Mexico, and a number of northeastern states, most notably Massachusetts.
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Regardless of the question asked this topic always deteriorates into a defense or condemnation of guns - if not openly then most certainly in the background. I have my own strong feelings which I no longer express. This topic is simply one that will always have a tough time finding a positive place on any RV forum. I wonder if those who feel the need to carry a gun on vacation would find a more accepting audience and more helpful responses to their questions if they took them to a gun forum like this one: National Gun Forum

My two cents.

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Those of us who prefer to camp in solitude, during off-season, sometimes in places that are creepily (and wonderfully) quiet, middle of nowhere, no cell coverage might have a different view than those vacation season folks who stay in crowded places in the height of tourist season.

Taking one view and generalizing to all situations, is seldom the best option for any given individual.
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As Switz said - there are 50 states, each one has different gun laws. Laws regulate virtually every aspect of having a weapon - especially those from out of state. VT for instance really has no rules, while the rest of the North East is a no no. New York you can have it with you, BUT you can only stop for gas - food and to use the facilities and if asked must show proof of a reservation out of state.
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Not me. Which is just as well as we are not allowed up here anyway!

Much as we love traveling in the US and do so all the time, I will say that so much availability and focus on firearms does concern me a bit.

And despite being illegal in Canada, firearms are a growing problem here for sure.

Probably the biggest concern that I have is whether it makes us an easy mark for
would be thieves when we travel across the US with Ontario plates on the car! Especially if we stop overnight at Flying J or similar.

(Have to admit though that firearms have always pealed to me a bit in the way that fine watches and cameras do - nice shiny, well made, mechanical things!

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Old 02-12-2014, 09:47 AM   #34
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Probably the biggest concern that I have is whether it makes us an easy mark for would be thieves when we travel across the US with Ontario plates on the car! Especially if we stop overnight at Flying J or similar.
Who knows but it is an interesting question.

I look at it this way, in Canada the thug can be certain you are not armed. Here they will think twice.
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Is mace illegal in Canada? That will usually stop a thief in his tracks. In gun shops around here and mail order you can get pepper spray with tear gas mixed in. If one component does not stop them then the other will. There is also the non lethal option of a Taser gun but I am not sure of the legality of those in Canada. Stay out of places where you are most likely to need a gun. This would be any type of places like bars on Saturday night or shady parts of town. Best not to travel at night if you can help it. Stay on well traveled roads and public places. The best defense is to be aware and alert. If you don't feel safe then leave. Anyone wearing a walkman while walking or jogging are an easy mark for a mugger. Playing on your cell phone in a crowd also makes you an easy mark.

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One thing that appears to have been overlooked in this discussion is, regardless of the laws or regulations of your domicile state, or of the states you'll pass through, or of the public lands you'll visit, rights related to private property still apply.

In your own home, you never have to allow an armed person inside except for a law enforcement officer in the course of his duties. Even if that person happens to have a valid concealed-carry permit and he's there at your invitation, you don't have to invite his gun inside with him. That's true for most private property in most jurisdictions, not just homes. If part of the property is publicly accessible, you can't forbid legal carry in the public areas, but as soon as they pass through a door or a gate to the non-public areas, as a property owner or legal tenant you can.

If you stop at any commercial business, they have the right to ask you to disarm yourself as soon as you step into the non-public areas of the property. At a truck stop, thay can't stop you from being armed at the gas pumps, but they can require you to leave your gun in the car if you step inside to use the restroom.

If you stop at a private campground, if they have a posted no-firearms policy, then as long as you're on that property, even if State law allows you to carry, you're not allowed to carry. If the campground doesn't have a posted policy forbidding guns, your neighbors can still say they don't allow guns in their campsite, and as long as they're legal tenants of that site, you have a legal obligation to respect their wishes.

If you carry on their property anyway, they have a right to swear a complaint against you, even if it's only "creating a public nuissance" or "disturbing the peace" or "reckless endangerment." Which can still ruin your trip while you get it all sorted out even if you beat the rap, and which allows local LEOs to confiscate your weapon as evidence.

So, if you're going to go armed, do so responsibly. And discretely, with full knowledge that no matter how careful you are you still may be inadvertently breaking the law. Ideally, as long as you never have to defend yourself, no one should even suspect that you're armed, and it will never become an issue.
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There are other reasons to carry a gun than self-defense. Around here we have a problem with people hitting deer with their car. Mainly from tourists driving too fast and not being cognizant of the deer’s presence. Oftentimes they will leave a maimed deer lying on the side of the road. I for one can't bear to see the animal lying there suffering, and once you've had to put a deer down by beating it with a tire iron, you'll wish you had a gun with you.
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If you stop at a private campground, if they have a posted no-firearms policy, then as long as you're on that property, even if State law allows you to carry, you're not allowed to carry. If the campground doesn't have a posted policy forbidding guns, your neighbors can still say they don't allow guns in their campsite, and as long as they're legal tenants of that site, you have a legal obligation to respect their wishes.
I wish the laws were that simple but your post is generally correct.

I would not choose to stay at a campground posted "No Firearms". It would not matter if I was carrying or not. It would not matter if I had a gun in the rig or not. That sign may as well say "Unarmed Victims Here"
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Most states reciprocate...but i'd check to be sure.
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We have used firearms for sport and hunting since we were kids, both trained in their use in our combined 58 nears of active and reserve military service, traveled the world, but the idea carrying weapons as defense while touring and camping with our Airstream is beyond me.

The greatest risk I see is other armed campers, made even riskier by threads like this suggesting it is somehow a good idea and encouraging more of this foolishness.
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Protagonist really summed it up well. And my understanding is that a concealed weapon in a "posted non weapon private" zone that is posted as such is technically
just tresspassing. I have not had this confirmed or denied.
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The best defense is to be aware and alert.
Yes that is where it starts whether one chooses to carry a gun or not, or if one even chooses to use it.

Here are some excerpts an article from a Navy SEAL that was floating around for a while after the CO shooting. Take it as you wish but I think a lot of people who have had some level of firearms training begin to think this way.

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Don’t Make Yourself an Easy Target
When at sporting events, concerts, and the movies, choose seats that give you a tactical advantage always. What do I mean? Choose seats that allow good and east vantage points and a hasty exit point. Always stack the odds in your favor. It’s the reason I still combat park (back in to a space) and sit with my back to the wall when I’m eating.

For close quarter combat drills we’d draw a gun with someone over 20 feet away running at us. In most cases you can be on someone before they can draw and take a shot. I’m not advocating running straight at someone but if you have the tactical advantage (jam, re-loading, distraction or the shooter isn’t paying attention) then take the shooter down or get the hell out of there. Deal with the situation with your eyes wide open.

Flashlight anyone? I have one for daily carry and take it everywhere with me. It’s become another extension of me and has diffused at least two potentially violent confrontations in a non-lethal way. I recommend 200+ lumens.

How to use it in this situation?
I would have pulled my high lumens pocket flashlight and blinded this guy. The high powered beam would have taken away his vision for 3-4 seconds, which is an eternity and enough time to flight or fight. There’s also no shame in surviving and getting you and your loved ones out of harm – especially little ones. Be a Hero to your kids and family for surviving, nobody can expect more of you than that. Like we say in Survival Escape Evasion Resistance (SERE) school, “Survive with Honor.”

Concealed Carry
If you’re lucky enough to live in a state like Texas that not only allows concealed carry, but supports the use of deadly force, then train to use it.
Think seriously about whether it’s worth a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) permit in states where you’re likely to get screwed by a jury if you use it.

Bottom line is that if you own a gun and have it as daily carry, you’d better rehearse your use scenarios both physically and mentally, and the same with the gun in the home. Mental practice is extremely valuable after you’ve mastered the basics. FYI, shooting paper at the local range will not prepare you for a defensive shooting situation. Rehearsing defensive scenarios is the only thing that will prepare you.


For most of you, the best bet is to buy a good tactical flashlight, there are plenty on the market. Specs: At least 200+ lumens, waterproof, LED, and a 3volt lithium battery. Use and carry your light with you at all times. It’s the best non-lethal and practical option available, in my opinion. You can take it anywhere – including on an airplane – and if it’s a high lumen model it will blind people in broad daylight. I can’t recommend this purchase enough.

Learn From an Expert
There are plenty of former Military and Law Enforcement that have great self-defense skills. Just vet your instructor carefully, ask for references and proof of service.

Don’t Be a Victim Rehearse emergency scenarios before there’s an emergency, the time to practice is NOT when it’s happening. The world is a dangerous place these days. Be prepared.
A great book I’d also recommend is, Escape The Wolf by Clinton Emerson.
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