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Old 04-02-2006, 11:24 PM   #15
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And, what are you going to do with the vehicle the 95% of the time you're not towing; providing business for the local renal care center?

Unless the 350 has another use, stick w/ the original plan: the 250 (and plush it out).
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Old 04-02-2006, 11:35 PM   #16
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And, what are you going to do with the vehicle the 95% of the time you're not towing; providing business for the local renal care center?
That could easily be the same case with my 2500 Suburban....especially at well over $2/gal. Cringe and say ouch seems like the best answer, but that's not very dignified, as you see the pump pass the $80 mark.

Of course, after gettin' the Burb, my Greenpeace membership was revoked, but oddly, I got an honorary OPEC membership card in the mail to replace the Greenpeace one.
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Old 04-02-2006, 11:49 PM   #17
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That could easily be the same case with my 2500 Suburban....especially at well over $2/gal. Cringe and say ouch seems like the best answer, but that's not very dignified, as you see the pump pass the $80 mark. :D

Of course, after gettin' the Burb, my Greenpeace membership was revoked, but oddly, I got an honorary OPEC membership card in the mail to replace the Greenpeace one. ;) :) :D
Ouch!

Put marbles in the tank . . . it'll dispace the fuel and your next visit to the pump won't hurt as much . . . nor will you be able to go as far.:innocent:
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My solution was to keep it in the garage unless I need it for snow covered roads, towing or hauling.....and ouch was the only PG-13 word I could use in public....I've used other choice words for the $80+ fillups.

...wonder if marbles would void my warranty.
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My solution was to keep it in the garage unless I need it for snow covered roads, towing or hauling.....and ouch was the only PG-13 word I could use in public....I've used other choice words for the $80+ fillups.

...wonder if marbles would void my warranty.
Same here for my van. I changed the oil (Mobil 1) this weekend. Total mileage since Feb 8 2005, 4580 miles, with towing making up 95% of that total. Not had the $80 fill up yet.....(I don't let it get down that low !).

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Same here for my van. I changed the oil (Mobil 1) this weekend. Total mileage since Feb 8 2005, 4580 miles, with towing making up 95% of that total. Not had the $80 fill up yet.....(I don't let it get down that low !).

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I just swapped to Amsoil...also the deep pan trans and differential cover (they add about 3-4 quarts more to the capacities). I'll let folks know if it reduces my heat on the trans at all now that I have a baseline from last years towing to go by. I found that if you pay $20 for the peferred customer, you can get a significant discount off the retail price of their oils.

What size gas tank do you have in your van Jack?
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the hotchkiss drive has a 9.75 inch pitch ring gear in the 250 and a 10.00 inch in the 350.


the 250 has a visteon 6200 rear axle and the 350 has a visteon 7280 rear axle...

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Who told you THAT???

The SRW F250s and F350s both use a Sterling rear axle with a 10.5" ring gear.
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What size gas tank do you have in your van Jack?
I'm pretty sure it is 36 gallons.

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Who told you THAT???

The SRW F250s and F350s both use a Sterling rear axle with a 10.5" ring gear.
I was trying to find out about this also. Thought the rear axles were the same in the 250-350 series. Jeff
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We have two '05 F250 diesels - one a C/C shortbed Lariat 4x4, and the other a S/C longbed XLT 4x4 for work - and, after having several F250s over the years, can make a couple of observations:
  • The 250 is plenty of truck for our 1971 31' Sovereign; in fact, we've had two passenger railroad car wheelsets on a 5000-lb trailer behind several of the trucks and a post-accident Chevy 2500 Duramax 4x4 on a trailer behind one of them, and all the trucks did well with significantly more weight than our Airstreams.
  • The biggest difference we've noticed in ride has more to do with whether you get the off-road package or not as opposed to 250 vs. 350. When we ordered the 250 C/C we have now, I specifically didn't go for the off-road package; it's still a 4x4 with skid plates but doesn't have the off-road shocks or tires. The stock Pirelli Scorpions it came with make a world of difference in the ride, and if you don't need the off-road package, you'll get a much smoother-riding tow vehicle. You can still get the skid plates as a stand-alone option.
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Ford Super Dutys

I'm on the 3rd Ford Super Duty, started with an 01 F350 SRW 4X4 Supercab longbed, then an 02 F350 DRW 2WD Crewcab longbed, and now own an 05 F250 2WD Crewcab shortbed. The first 2 had 7.3L Powerstroke diesels with 6-speed manuals and my 05 has the 6.0L Powerstroke with a 5-speed automatic.

With the exception of the 4-speed automatic (when used behind the 7.3L PSD) and the 4X4 transfer case (I know of several that have failed) these trucks are STOUT! I'm convinced that the pre-05 trucks are underrated with regards to both GVWR & GCWR. My 05 F250 has a higher GVWR than my 01 F350 did.

I had a hard time finding both of the 2WD Super Dutys I've owned. I've owned a number of 4X4 vehicles and am convinced that I have no need for something this large with 4WD. My current truck is the perfect tow vehicle for my Airstream and works very as my daily driver and family vehicle.
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Who told you THAT??? The SRW F250s and F350s both use a Sterling rear axle with a 10.5" ring gear.
hi steve

the 9.75/10.0 are front axle ring gear diameters...for 250/350

the rears are 10.5 for both......
so i didn't mention that as a 'difference' between the 250/350 srw models....
the 35/37 # of spline difference is for rear axles...the fronts are both 35.

the info come directly from......

http://esourcebook.dealerconnection....s/f250/ras.htm

but ya need a log in code.....

and this was current jan 14, 2005 just before i ordered my truck....i had the dealer print me a copy of the full factory "dealers eyes only" specs...because i wanted to understand the actual/specific differences between the 250/350 srw models....

here is a summary of the relevant section.....
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Front Axles:

Make: F250/F350: Dana 60 & Dana Super 60,
Axle Ratio: F250/F350: 3.73/4.10, F250/F350 D

Max. Rating @ Ground (lbs.): F250/F350: 6000,
Type: Monobeam, Live Spindle
Drive Hotchkiss
Housing Type: Unitized
Cover Attachment: Bolted
Wheel Bearings Type: Tapered Roller
Gears Type: Hypoid
Ring Gear Pitch Diameter (in.): F250 D60: 9.75

.............................................F350 D S60: 10.0,
Pinion Mounting: Above Center
Differential Type: 2-Pinion
Bearings: Tapered Roller
Axle Shaft Minimum Diameter (in.): 1.356
Diameter over Splines (in.): 1.47
No. of Splines (Hub End): 35

Rear Axles:

F250 Pickup: Visteon, Max. Rating @ Ground (lbs.) 6200, Section Tube Dia. (in.) 3.50
Synthetic Lubricant Capacity (pt.): 7.0, Ring Gear Pitch Dia. (in.) : 10.50
Axle Shaft Spline Minor Dia. (in.): 1.36, Spline Major Dia. (in.): 1.50, No. of Splines (Hub End): 35

F350 SRW Pickup: Visteon, Max. Rating @ Ground (lbs.) 7280, Section Tube Dia. (in.) 3.50
Synthetic Lubricant Capacity (pt.): 7.0, Ring Gear Pitch Dia. (in.) : 10.50
Axle Shaft Spline Minor Dia. (in.): 1.50, Spline Major Dia. (in.): 1.57, No. of Splines (Hub End): 37

Type Full-Floating
Driveline Attachment: Circular Flange 1480 End Yoke
Housing Type: Cast Center Stamped
Cover Attachment: Visteon & D80: Bolted, D S110: Welded
Spring Centers (in.) : F-250-350 Pickup :45.0
Wheel Bearings Type: Tapered Roller
Gears Type: Hypoid
Material: Alloy Steel
Pinion Mounting: Overhung
Differential Type: (1) 2-Pinion


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so i have no info on the sterling axles.......
and can't find anything written on this in the factory published specs....
perhaps it's a late year model change or a difference on the 2wd models?


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I have a 2003 Ford F-250 4X4 Diesel. We pull our 1960 28' Ambassador with it. Recently we pulled the trailer down from Oregon during a blizzard. The F-250 didn't balk at all. At 60MPH I was getting around 17 MPG. I had ordered the truck from the factory with the towing package. No sag, brakes are good. I have approx. 55,000 miles on the truck. I have no complaints and have had absolutely no problems. I just change the oil and filters every 3,000 miles.

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Rear Axles:

F250 Pickup: Visteon, Max. Rating @ Ground (lbs.) 6200, Section Tube Dia. (in.) 3.50
Synthetic Lubricant Capacity (pt.): 7.0, Ring Gear Pitch Dia. (in.) : 10.50
Axle Shaft Spline Minor Dia. (in.): 1.36, Spline Major Dia. (in.): 1.50, No. of Splines (Hub End): 35

F350 SRW Pickup: Visteon, Max. Rating @ Ground (lbs.) 7280, Section Tube Dia. (in.) 3.50
Synthetic Lubricant Capacity (pt.): 7.0, Ring Gear Pitch Dia. (in.) : 10.50
Axle Shaft Spline Minor Dia. (in.): 1.50, Spline Major Dia. (in.): 1.57, No. of Splines (Hub End): 37

Type Full-Floating
Driveline Attachment: Circular Flange 1480 End Yoke
Housing Type: Cast Center Stamped
Cover Attachment: Visteon & D80: Bolted, D S110: Welded
Spring Centers (in.) : F-250-350 Pickup :45.0
Wheel Bearings Type: Tapered Roller
Gears Type: Hypoid
Material: Alloy Steel
Pinion Mounting: Overhung
Differential Type: (1) 2-Pinion


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so i have no info on the sterling axles.......
and can't find anything written on this in the factory published specs....
perhaps it's a late year model change or a difference on the 2wd models?


cheers

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The center section (pumpkin) of both axles is identical. If you'll notice the ring gear diameter and fluid capacity of both axles are the same. In the past Ford refered to these axles at the "Sterling" axle, it's possible that they contracted the production out to Visteon. It's the same basic axle Ford has used under EVERY SRW Super Duty truck since 1999. The cover is the same as is the ring & pinion, only the drive axles and the outer stubs are different. It's nice to see that Ford beefed the axle up for 05-06 when the raised the capacity of the F350 rear axle.
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