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Old 04-03-2013, 06:40 PM   #281
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With ongoing droughts and fire bans, a campfire may become a thing of the past.

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Old 04-03-2013, 06:48 PM   #282
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Last summer most of the parks that I camped at had open fire bans. Exception was gas fire pits such as the Fire Dancer, etc. were allowed. That is one of the reasons that I bought mine. Great purchase.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:07 PM   #283
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With all the aluminum and SOBs out there, the campfire is the only thing left of true camping. The stove in the last ? campers i have had have NOT been used. I cook over a SMALL open fire or a propane stove when there is a fire ban. I do my best NOT to infringe on the rights of others and I expect them to do the same.
There should also be a noise BAN, let those that want to sit inside and watch TV do so WITHOUT the AC and or their diesel engine and generator running.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:33 PM   #284
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He was unwilling to move his fire pit before lighting. The campground owner was unwilling to ask him to move his fire pit. So we moved our rig to get away from him.

It seems more common these days for people to burn very green wood, treated lumber, and garbage. I would prefer to be in a campground without camp fires.
I spent over 50 years camping in Montana ... starting in Boy Scouts and ending as a youth group leader. Scouts are taught to make a fire only as large as necessary to accomplish the task at hand ... larger campfires are also extinguished when the group adjourns and not left to smolder into the morning.Young folks like to have fires to toast marshmallows; however, it seems that the older generation utilizes the fires not only for socialization but also for "happy" hours.

We bought our AS for some of the creature comforts. Enjoy your fires, but please don't infringe on our rights to enjoy the clean air... that is why we are out camping in a non-roughing it TT.

...Same experience here ... we have moved our AS ... even left and forfeited our fees ... to avoid the inconsideration of others ... has no one else experienced asthma brought on by the wind "sharing" their smoke and embers!!!
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:47 PM   #285
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Has anyone realized this is a first world problem? I mean really. Your complaining about campfires while your CAMPING. Hello....
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:02 AM   #286
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Just had a thought. Yes I know it's rare. The complaints listed gives more reason that you should join and camp with your local WBCCI club. We all go to bed at 8 or 9 at night and we don't play load music. We are anything but rude and inconsiderate. We also go out of our way not to impinge on your right to anything. Enjoy your travels.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:07 AM   #287
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Has anyone realized this is a first world problem? I mean really. Your complaining about campfires while your CAMPING. Hello....
NO, realize that I am NOT complaining about campfires - RATHER about other folks campfires that get out of hand! It seems that is now the way of the new world of campers ... rather than moderation in all things; it often comes out as inconsideration. I had a job for a number of years where I had to intercede on the behalf of those whose rights were trampled by others ... sad commentary. See the red number below... that does not assure adherence to any particular standard set by someone else.

Rum, we do appreciate your personal camping philosophy; unfortunately it has not been born out in our experiences around here. YMMV

I thought that I was clear that when we are bothered to the point where inhalers are ineffective and we are gasping for air, we move on and leave the fires to the folks who are intransigent... as well as the fees that we have paid. Here in Montana folks really do value fresh air.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:16 AM   #288
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Probably the solution in large campgrounds with multiple loops is to segregate out a "no campfire" loop for asthmatics and others who simply don't want them. This is already happening in larger National Parks, with "no generator" loops and segregated tent and RV loops. Lake Louise does have tent/campfire separate from RV/no campfire loops.

But Rumship-- going to bed at 8 or 9 pm??? I couldn't possibly fall asleep so early. We did watch nearly the entire 3 seasons of Downton Abby on DVD at night during our recent 6-week desert sojourn, but even this seems a little repressed.

The National Parks prohibit firewood gathering, so you have to think about picking some up at the supermarket. Due to bark beetle worries, it's not a good idea to bring it from home. We paid $10 per bundle for some nearly non-flammable firewood at Furnace Creek in Death Valley.

Astrocaver, we would love for you to camp near us. A good star party would be a fun and smoke-free way to stay up past 9:00.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:25 AM   #289
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But Rumship-- going to bed at 8 or 9 pm??? I couldn't possibly fall asleep so early. We did watch nearly the entire 3 seasons of Downton Abby on DVD at night during our recent 6-week desert sojourn, but even this seems a little repressed.

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Well 95% of my group goes to bed. I ether stay out by myself or with the occasional night owl, or I watch tv in my rig.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:01 AM   #290
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Why have the moderators not put this to bed.

If you don't like pepperoni on your pizza - then don't order a pepperoni pizza.

If you don't like camp fires - then don't camp where they allow fires.

If you don't like generators - then don't camp where they allow generators.

If you don't like barking dogs - then don't camp where they allow barking dogs.

If you don't like loud neighbors that stay up late - then don't camp where they allow loud neighbors to stay up late.

Should I keep going?

The camper that offends you is no more infringing on your rights than you are his. Your right to not have to breath his smoke infinges on his right to have the fire -they smoke. Your right to run your generator or a/c infringes on his right to not have to listen to it. When it gets to the point that you are too offended you can leave. If you find yourself leaving often enough then maybe you should stay home.

I like to enjoy myself but I have never felt that I should be able to deny a fellow camper the same enjoyment.

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Old 04-04-2013, 09:07 AM   #291
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Kinda makes sense to me.

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Old 04-04-2013, 09:15 AM   #292
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Why have the moderators not put this to bed.
Alternatively, if you don't like getting a broad range of views from your fellow Airstreamers then don't read the forums.

I'm quite happy to see what other people's views are on this subject as it hadn't occurred to me that the ubiquitous camp fire was going to cause some people problems.

The thread will die out of its own accord when people get tired of it.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:44 AM   #293
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The camper that offends you is no more infringing on your rights than you are his.

I like to enjoy myself but I have never felt that I should be able to deny a fellow camper the same enjoyment.
I personally find enjoyment in having a sense of the absurd, being able to poke fun at life's annoyances. The ability to complain good-naturedly— as opposed to merely bitching— should be nurtured, and that's one of the benefits of threads like this one.

As long as they don't endanger my life or property, I'll never ask anyone to put out their campfire. But I reserve the right to be annoyed in private, and to make my annoyance a topic of future conversation so that my friends can poke fun at me for getting annoyed over something so trivail in the first place.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:00 AM   #294
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"Does anyone else HATE campfires?" There is too much hate in this world, couldn't we change that to DISLIKE campfires? Also whose rights are we infringing on? Do I not have the right to have a campfire; and you also have the right to DISLIKE to one? Who wins?
I also grew up a Boy Scout and enjoyed camping and the fire. We used it for cooking, warmth and fellowship. We camped in tents. Maybe those that "boondock" have something going, not alot of others to complain about their rights. Campgrounds are getting to be alike "the projects" in some cities. People/campers do not have the space to enjoy themselves and the mighty $ rules, "the more the merrier" is no longer true.
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