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Old 09-06-2010, 05:47 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Mike Leary View Post
No wonder the Parks are claiming financial problems; no one goes there anymore.
I don't know if that's true. Last year, the parks were doing very well because they were cheaper than private CG's and for the usual reasons—nice destinations. This year it appears fees have gone up, perhaps a lot. Because some states have closed a lot of parks, some business will go to other parks and some to private CG's. I Googled 2010 state and national park attendance for this year and there were some reports of increased attendance, but there wasn't much information.

When we were at one of the CG's on Grand Mesa a couple of weeks ago, the fees were $20 for a site plus $4 for electricity. We paid half price for the site since I have a senior pass, so our price was $14/night. Add in $9 for the reservation. On the weekend, the place was full, pretty close on a weekday. Years ago—1970's—the site would have been $6 and no electricity. The site would have been less improved, but adequate. It may not have been as large for a 25' trailer and a full size pickup, but I had a tent and a Honda Civic then. I didn't have a senior pass (if I did, I'd be 100 now).

National Park admission fees are far, far higher than they were 20 years ago. Even at parks with fees years ago, a lot of times no one collected them. Attendance in the several years before the Great Recession at national parks was down but was up last year. The increased fees seem to have cut attendance until last year, especially at the less popular parks. For example, Black Canyon NP now costs $15/vehicle. This is a one trick park and should have been left a national monument, but was promoted to attract more tourism to the area. We live 10 miles from the primitive North Rim and it's the same price as the more attractive South Rim (I've never seen anyone collecting it at the North Rim). The South Rim has a visitor center, more CG sites and a better view of the Canyon. If I didn't have a senior pass, I'd never go there.

One other thing, when you apply inflation adjustment to fees years ago, you may find there's little difference in price. So a $6 camping fee in 1975 would be more than $23 now. I have compared gas prices in the 1940's, 1960's and now, and, adjusted for inflation, there's little or no difference. So maybe it's a question of perception and not reality.

I do remember paying 80˘ to 95˘ for dinner at the Community Diner in Bethlehem, Pa., and then getting a 10% discount because I was a regular while in college around 1960. The indigestion was free.


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Old 09-06-2010, 09:28 PM   #16
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Old 09-07-2010, 09:03 AM   #17
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I can recall when an Imperial gallon of gasoline was 32˘ Canadian. That was in the mid-'50s.

It is also my feeling that costs of many things were about 1/10 of what they are now.

If that's true, arcamedies, your $46 to park at Assateague Island Maryland was a good deal!
I agree using a timeline price increase but when you pay $26.50 for a macadam pad, water, 50 amp electric at a campsite with a lake and beach in a beautiful area (Gifford Pinchot, PA), as an out of state camper to boot, $46 is steeeeeep for nothing but a pad. Assateague is usually pretty empty with a gazillion sites. I've stayed when I was the only rig in the loop on the ocean side, when does someone wake up? Silly me they didn't hear about the recession/depression.

But I'm really looking for fond memories, including today's.
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Old 09-07-2010, 10:23 AM   #18
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Parks have to be paid for either by fees or taxes, or both. The choice in recent decades is fees and little in the way of taxes. That is true of others things too, such as higher education at state schools, and in some places, toll roads. I would not be surprised if the public libraries will go that route too.

Federal campgrounds are being contracted to concessionaires who make some improvements, collect profit, and jack up the fees substantially. At a campground in Colorado we stayed at, the senior pass cut the camping fee in half, but the charge for electricity was not halved. Strange. The senior pass sometimes gets a discount, sometimes doesn't and I can't figure out how it is determined. There are national forests where you have to pay to enter, but it seems very difficult to figure out which ones and whether the senior pass can be used. I asked the feds for a list of ones, but just got a non-answer including to ask at a ranger station (they are often closed) or the headquarters, even though I may be planning a trip from a thousand miles away. Until the early '80's, national forest maps were free, then they started charging for them and the fee keeps going up. And in western Colorado a lot of federal campgrounds seem to have been closed to save money.

State parks are being closed in some states, notably Arizona, or made so expensive, we avoid them. I see reports on the Forum of Cal. CG's costing more than $40. Sometimes there's a separate fee for everything—in Colorado, showers are extra, for example.

I always thought some things, like libraries and parks, are too important to not be free (i.e., paid through taxes), but apparently I'm losing that battle.

And that's why our taxes keep going down. Hey wait a minute.

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