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Old 04-20-2018, 06:34 AM   #1
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Directv changes for 2019?

Directv is phasing out their older receivers that receive standard definition by April 2019. I was told that the required new receivers would be both HD and standard definition and the portable domes that most of us now use would not work with the new receivers. I did contact Wineguard and they said that they were unaware of any changes. Does anyone know anything about the change and how or if it will affect current users?
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:12 AM   #2
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I no longer use Directv in my trailer but still have it at home.

What I can say is they, as are all other suppliers, are under extreme pricing pressure from the Streaming Services and thus you can really negotiate with them. I changed to the new receivers 4 months ago and reduced my bill by over 50%.

If you are talking to Directv only do it with a termination agents. They are charged with customer retention and thus are able to get to the bottom line without the normal run around.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:35 AM   #3
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I just jumped over to the DBS talk forum where this issue is currently being discussed. It's believed the Wineguard is aware of this but is under a non disclosure agreement with Direct, so for now you won't hear much. Apparently there is a dealer meeting for Direct yet this month and things will be clarified. Note that this announcement of SD going away came back as early as 2015 so it's not a new issue.

The real question is that there is only one satellite for RV use that currently handles the HD signals for Direct. That unit requires a special reflector based on the position in the sky of the Direct HD satellite used for HD. So no one knows for sure whether the existing carryout or rooftop RV dishes have the electronics to be able to process the HD encoded signal if it placed on a different satellite. While the receiver decodes the signal, there may be some form of ID that the dish electronics need to decode to verify that the dish is locked into the proper satellite and transponder.

Bottom line, more info might be available by the end of the month after the dealer meeting. In the meantime I'd be cautious in making a purchase of any Direct carry or RV mounted dish products right now.

I find that many Direct TV agents are very unaware of the RV product side so use caution in talking to them right now.

Personally I use Dish Network for satellite TV and based on satellite positions, all of the Dish SD and HD programming is available on their RV and carry out dish hardware. I use the Dish Tailgater unit which is a carry out dish.

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Old 04-20-2018, 09:10 AM   #4
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The newest current (Genie) DirecTV receivers only operate with the Single Wire Multifeed (SWM) dishes. They will not work with the older dishes even now. DTV has HD on multiple satellites but the design of their network requires three degrees of freedom, azimuth, elevation, and tilt (rotation about the focal point) for the dish. The dish has to be pointed in all three axes to acquire the signal from the three main satellites without moving. That's why the DTV HD automatic dish is more expensive. About a year ago I invested in a used Trav'ler dish to get HD. If they obsolete that I will be going to cable at home and Dish on the road.

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Old 04-20-2018, 09:52 AM   #5
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I just browsed the DBSTalk forum. My interpretation of what I read is that those of us with Trav'ler dishes and HD receivers will not be significantly affected. The issue appears to be multi-faceted, in that what DTV is discontinuing is broadcast of SD channels in the old MPEG2 format on the Ku satellite band. Current HD broadcasts are in MPEG4 format on the Ka band and the carryout dishes do not receive Ka. It could be that an upgrade will be made available to convert those dishes to Ka, but it remains to be seen if that is technically possible.

Before I got my Trav'ler I had an older Winegard 18x21 rooftop dish that could be set to receive either Dish or DirecTV, and one of the newer ones I looked at could also be switched in the setup menu. If a someone had a carryout dish that could be switched to Dish, I think they could convert to Dish from DTV by re-configuring the dish and purchasing a Dish receiver like the 211. In my opinion Dish is more favorable for RV use in that the account can be turned on and off on a monthly basis. The last time I checked DTV only allowed that once every 6 months.

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If you have direcTv at home and also have AT&T as your cell carrier you can stream all of your DirecTv channels data free to your phone and connect the phone to the TV in the Airstream. You can also access all of your DirecTv recordings and stream them to your phone as well as recording new shows remotely.
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If you have direcTv at home and also have AT&T as your cell carrier you can stream all of your DirecTv channels data free to your phone and connect the phone to the TV in the Airstream. You can also access all of your DirecTv recordings and stream them to your phone as well as recording new shows remotely.
It is my understanding that the streaming of the recorded channels can only be done if the phone is on the same WiFi network as the DVR. I have streamed broadcast DTV channels to my phone and then to my TV without data charges, and I have set my DVR remotely, but those depend on cellular access, and the streamed channels, IIRC, are not HD. My Trav'ler works great as long as I have a clear line of sight. I also carry a tripod and dish if I REALLY want to watch something and the rooftop doen't have a line of sight. I did that for the NCAA national championship game.

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Wait and see...

Thanks for the input from all. I guess I will have to wait and see what is around the corner. I do want to get HD if it is within reason from Directv.
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There has to be a better way than Directv. I have it at home and that will be short lived with the 220 channels of nonsense. Hopefully we will have an alternative source.
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My old dish antenna is already incompatible with my new DirecTV receivers.
I bought the dish when we still had standard definition TV sets and standard definition DirecTV receivers.
I bought a HDTV for the house in 2012 and bought an Airstream with HDTV's in 2012 and got new HD DirecTV receivers in 2012, but haven't bothered to go to the expense or trouble of trying to get a high definition DirecTV dish antenna for the camper.
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