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Old 02-06-2019, 07:45 PM   #15
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DirecTV announced last year that they were going to discontinue standard definition (SD) service in April of this year. The plan was to take the 119 degree satellite (which carries(d) SD service) out of service. Maybe they accelerated their schedule, maybe the satellite failed, maybe something in your system failed.

Assuming you want to remain with DirecTV and have a relatively recent DirecTV receiver that can process HD signals, you will need to change your antenna. There are two options:
1. Least expensive - purchase a slimline dish and mounting tripod. The type of LNB you want with the dish depends on your DirecTV receiver. Newer ones take the Single Wire Multifeed (SWM). SolidSignal.com can set you up with what you need. You will have to set this up every time you stop. Pointing the antenna is fairly simple, but not automatic. You will have to set the elevation and tilt on the dish with a wrench and point it in azimuth, using the signal strength indicator in your receiver. I have seen write-ups that say this cannot be done, but I do it all the time.
2. Expensive - Purchase a Winegard Trav'ler rooftop mount HD DirecTV antenna. This antenna points automatically like the one you have now but receives HD. There is a used one on e-Bay at a good price right now. Search "Winegard Trav'ler Traveler DirecTV Slimline SK-3005 Satellite RV SK-SWM3 Camper".

A third option is to change to Dish Network. It may be possible to convert your existing King unit to Dish Network. My previous Winegard 18" round dish could be changed between DirecTV and Dish by changing a switch in the base. If yours can't be converted, there is a Dish Network antenna that can replace your existing antenna and receive HD from Dish Network. The automatic Dish Network antennas sell for significantly less than the Trav'ler, in the $300-$500 price range. You will also have to get a Dish Network receiver. The advantage to Dish is you can turn the subscription on and off on a monthly basis.

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Old 02-07-2019, 06:02 AM   #16
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I have been talking with both Directv and Winegard for the last few weeks with the results being somewhat Iffy! Let me start with a directv tech that came to a rental house. He said the old receiver will not work, period. I have a Winegard G2 carryout dome. He said to get the H24 receiver along with a bbc converter to attach to receiver or get the tripod mount setup. I did not want a rooftop dish.

After calling Directv 3 times without finding someone that had a clue, I finally got a person that directed me to motor home sales. When the call was made, it was the Winegard number! She said for some reason directv is referring all calls to them. No idea why! But, she ansered my questions. She said the H24 receiver is what I need without any converter attached. It will work with their dome and receive the HD signal when the sattelite change is made is made. The options for purchasing a receiver was through Winegard (around $170.00) or Camping World ($139.99). I purchased it from Directv for $118 through a lengthy process. I will have to call Winegard to get it online through a third party at the current rate(I am using the receiver as a additional receiver on my home account).

Now, I will just have to wait to see if all of this works.
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I have been talking with both Directv and Winegard for the last few weeks with the results being somewhat Iffy! Let me start with a directv tech that came to a rental house. He said the old receiver will not work, period. I have a Winegard G2 carryout dome. He said to get the H24 receiver along with a bbc converter to attach to receiver or get the tripod mount setup. I did not want a rooftop dish.

After calling Directv 3 times without finding someone that had a clue, I finally got a person that directed me to motor home sales. When the call was made, it was the Winegard number! She said for some reason directv is referring all calls to them. No idea why! But, she ansered my questions. She said the H24 receiver is what I need without any converter attached. It will work with their dome and receive the HD signal when the sattelite change is made is made. The options for purchasing a receiver was through Winegard (around $170.00) or Camping World ($139.99). I purchased it from Directv for $118 through a lengthy process. I will have to call Winegard to get it online through a third party at the current rate(I am using the receiver as a additional receiver on my home account).

Now, I will just have to wait to see if all of this works.
I have the same setup but with an HR24. Has been working for a few years now, most recently tested it in December. No idea what will happen in the future but the SD picture has been fine for me. Best of luck with yours.
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I am currently on the road with DTV, HR24 STB and Carryout G2+. I can get most channels in my package. I cannot receive my local (2-70) channels so I missed Super Bowl. On previous trips I spent several hours on phone with both DTV and Winegard. DTV says local channels are HD so tough luck as it is a Winegard problem that they donít receive HD. Also can only receive one channel so no recording one show while watching another. I hope Winegard is working on a solution.
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I donít understand why it is a Winegard problem when itís dome receives Dish HD and not Direvtv?
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:43 AM   #20
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I donít understand why it is a Winegard problem when itís dome receives Dish HD and not Direvtv?
There is a difference in how the dishes work. The Dish Network antennas steer in azimuth and elevation, and can only look at one satellite at a time. When you change channels, the new channel might be on a different satellite. The Dish Network antenna then moves to the new satellite. If you have two receivers, you can only watch, on either receiver, channels on the satellite that the antenna is pointed at. If you only have one receiver, this is not a problem.

DirecTV antennas have a third axis called tilt. Their antennas can see all their satellites without moving. Any receiver connected to a DirecTV dish can tune to any channel. This third axis adds another motor, gear, and sensor system and must be peaked on the satellites. The added complexity is one reason why the DirecTV automatic antenna is so much more than the Dish Network antenna.

As far as I know, there are only a couple of automatic antennas that will receive DirecTV HD, and they are larger and more expensive. I don't think the Carryout, or any of the smaller antennas will work for DirecTV HD.

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Old 02-10-2019, 07:49 AM   #21
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I am currently on the road with DTV, HR24 STB and Carryout G2+. I can get most channels in my package. I cannot receive my local (2-70) channels so I missed Super Bowl. On previous trips I spent several hours on phone with both DTV and Winegard. DTV says local channels are HD so tough luck as it is a Winegard problem that they donít receive HD. Also can only receive one channel so no recording one show while watching another. I hope Winegard is working on a solution.
There already is a solution - it is the Winegard Trav'ler. Hold onto your wallet, however, as it is more complex, larger, and more expensive. If you want HD without the expensive antenna, the answer is Dish Network.

That said, local channels are broadcast in a spot beam which covers a very small area of the earth's surface as compared to the larger beam. I can get my locals only in about a 200 mile radius of my home location.

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Yes, Trav'ler is a solution. I really don't want a permanent installation because of access to southern skies. Also I have talked to several companies about installing a Trav'ler on my AS and all have advised against it. Something about flat item on curved surface.

As far as receiving local channels, I received them on the road until a year or two ago. DTV tells me they changed them to HD and that is why I don't get them.

This is all very frustrating and I hope it doesn't get worse. DTV employees tell me that ATT is driving changes that will increase revenue.
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As a post to both you and Al, I use a Winegard Carryout G2+. It receives Dish on HD and currently works on Directv in SD only. So, the problem currently is with Directv apparently using multiple sattelites, with this dome antenna. My guess is that they will be sending the signal with newer sattelites involved so the dome(with a single LNB will work using the HD receiver required. I am told that what will be lost after the changeover are the local channels which must currently be on the sattelite in question. Two weeks ago, I was receiving local SHD stations on old receiver.
Now we wait and see.
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My dear brother in law is a retired broadcast engineer and he called on this issue yesterday and talked to one of the manufacturers and it sounds like we might hear something from either Direct or the dish manufacturer in the not to distant future. If there isn't some kind of adapter or "patch" offered, then we will simply switch to Dish and use their services. We chose Direct because we have them at home and it just involved taking one of our ""boxes"" along with us on the trip. But I'm sure hoping that they do something to save us customers and give us a solution. Fingers crossed here!!
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Over the past couple of days, Iíve spent a few hours trying to talk to various individuals at DirecTV. Initial calls typically go to some international call center where the knowledge seems limited, and my old ears have difficulty and frustration with the heavily accented voices on the other end. Ultimately, yesterday, I spoke with a very nice U.S.-based individual in their dish activation team.

The purpose of my call was to ďre-activateĒ the very old standard definition (SD) satellite receiver that I MANUALLY connect to my very old 18Ē round dish that I set on a tripod that I carry in my Airstream. Iíve been successfully ďactivatingĒ and ďre-activatingĒ this receiver for many years as I use it exclusively in the trailer, while I use DirecTV high definition (HD) at home. This activation attempt was in preparation for a spring trip. Iíve preferred using SD in the trailer because of the ease of set-up as it uses only one satellite, channel 101, and it didnít matter if it was level or not. Many times, Iím aiming between a very narrow gap between trees to connect, so an HD dish trying to manually connect to 3 different satellites (99, 101, 103) over 3 different axis over an 18 degree path could often be problematic for me. With the small screen in the trailer, the SD vs HD resolution difference didnít matter much.

As discussed on this and many other forums for several years, DirecTVís SD signal is finally going away, soon, and sooner for some than others. Iím one of the sooner customers. Based on my lengthy conversation yesterday, 4/30/2019 is the drop-dead date for most, especially in more populated areas. More remote areas, perhaps Alaska, might be operational as late as 9/30/2019. I became a ďsoonerĒ customer because DirecTV initiated some sort of account changeover in recent months, perhaps associated with their acquisition by AT&T and AT&Tís apparent desire to bring all of their account management under one umbrella. During the changeover period, my satellite box was in the inactive status since I wasnít traveling at the time. The changeover only kept active boxes. While the most common termination date is 4/30/2019, they are now unable to activate SD boxes, even though weíre not yet at 4/30/19. The individual that I spoke with tried to be very helpful, tried many different ďback-doorĒ ways to re-activate, all without success. So for me, SD is dead as far as DirecTV goes. If you have an old SD box and it was active during the account changeover period, youíre probably good until 4/30/2019.

I have a DirecTV H25 stand-alone receiver (does not require Geni) that I can take on each trip with my Airstream; however, my old 18Ē round dish will not work with the H25 receiver and its SWM technology.

Solution? Winegard makes a very expensive roof-mount automatic dish that will provide HD service that is priced in the $1800+- range. I donít know how well it would work on the ground, but even if it did, itís a lot of money leave lying on the ground unattended. Moreover, that small gap between the trees may not always be in the right spot with a roof-mounted dish.

Apparently the tri-pod mount options are only the SlimLine SL3 or SL5 dishes sold by a number of outlets and manufacturers. Itís available as a dish/LNB/power inserter only, or as a kit which includes tripod, cabling, compass, level, etc. I only need the dish/LNB etc., not the other add-ons in the kits. The dish-only parts sell for around $70-$110, while the kits are around $130 to $180, depending upon where you buy and whether SL3 or SL5.

The SL3 connects to 3 satellites, the 99, 103, and 103, which are CURRENTLY the satellites used by DirecTV for most of both the SD and HD channels. The SL5 connects to 5 satellites, the 99, 101,103, 110,119 satellites. The 110 and 119 are CURRENTLY used mainly for Spanish language, some music, some religious, some local channels in some areas, and perhaps other currently esoteric channels. It would seem that the SL3 would currently give most people the DirecTVchannels that they have at home; but I have no idea what future changes DirecTV might have in mind for economic or technological reasons. If they make changes, and you ultimately need access to satellite 110 or 119, you can buy the SL5 LNB-only and mount it to your Slim Line dish for about the same price as the current differential between the SL3 and SL5. I think Iíll just buy the SL3 for now to go with my bedroom H25 receiver for use in the Airstream. I guess Dish TV is an option, but for now, Iím with DirecTV.

I do have a question for those of you already experienced in manually aiming an HD dish such as the SL3: Is satellite reception an all-or-nothing experience, i.e., all 3 satellites or no signal at all, or is it possible to connect to just one or two satellites and receive only whatever channels may be on that satellite?
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Kamiak - You can manually point the dish and do not have to get all satellites. Here is what I do:
Bring up the satellite pointing menu and enter your zip code.
Get the Az, El, and Tilt numbers from the screen.
Set your dish mount to those numbers.
Set up your tripod in a location where you can see the satellite(s) of interest. An iPhone app like Satfinder is helpful. Get one of the bubble levels that is part of the DirecTV installation kit and be sure your tripod is level.
Mount the dish, leaving the clamp bolts finger tight.
Set the receiver to Signal Strength, then Signal Meters, preferably on the 101 satellite. The Signal Meters page has a audible signal to aid in peaking. Turn the TV volume up so you can hear the signal outside. This will impress your traveling companions and neighbors....
Point the antenna well to one side of the prescribed azimuth.
Shift the antenna in small increments (only a couple of degrees). After a while you should hear the audible signal. Peak the repetition rate and the pitch and you are aligned on 101.
Switch the receiver to the 99 satellite.
Hopefully you will hear the audible signal.
Peak the antenna on the 99 satellite. It is more critical that the 101 to peak. Peaking the 99 should not effect the signal on 101 significantly.

This process is necessitated by the fact that the inexpensive signal meters will not work with the SWM feeds. A meter that will work is in the $300 range.

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I think Iíll just buy the SL3 for now to go with my bedroom H25 receiver for use in the Airstream. I guess Dish TV is an option, but for now, Iím with DirecTV.



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I have a kit that Iíd like to sell, that has what it sounds like you want. The slimline dish, with the SL3 LNB, a tripod with tent stakes, and a compass. I purchased it from Satellite Oasis, but no longer need it. Send me a private message if you are interested.
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Update

An update from my last post. After zero success with Directv, I made the switch to Dish and I am very happy I did. Directv is clueless when it comes to an RV. The first few calls, the people didnít even know what a RV was. Today, the somewhat knowledgeable ones still are not sure what is going to happen when the switch is made. I initially was going to keep Directv, but the made me pay for a H24 receiver and upon calling to get it activated they told me there was a $99 activation fee! Well, everything went into a box and returned to them. Dish is working fine in HD with a Wally that I purchased and still using my Winegard g2+ dome. I also had the Dish added to my home to replace the Directv. Far superior system at a much lower monthly price.
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