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Old 06-20-2004, 09:25 PM   #15
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Anyone can be the unlucky purchaser of a used truck. Maintenance records would be a must with me even if the individual did all the work himself. I'd like to know if the guy was thinking preventative maintenance and has the records to prove it. Alas, documents can be forged but if I smell something fishy then I'm outta there.
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Old 06-21-2004, 10:05 AM   #16
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I don't believe one should "stay away" from the 6.5 GM diesel, but I do believe one should know what they are buying. The '99 and '00 models are excellent choices, if you don't need the horsepower offered by some of the newer engines.

The variable vane turbo was introduced by GM with the new LLY engine at the start of this calendar year.

You most certainly can go wrong with a Duramax, as you can with any truck, gas or diesel. Get one with injector trouble (admittedly rare), for example and have GM deny the warranty for "bad fuel". Injectors are $500 to replace. That's each. There are eight of them. Or get a 24 valve Cummins with any one of the various quirks that plagued their introduction. Or a 6.0 Navistar (Ford) with fuel injectors that flood the crankcase.

Fortunately, the problems are actually quite rare. But the expense to correct them requires due dilligence on the part of the buyer in inspecting any prospective purchase.

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GM recently issued a notice to all 2001, 2002 truck owners that the injectors are covered for 7 years and 200,000 miles. I have had nary one problem with my 01 D/A for 65,000 miles. Depending on the man's budget, he should purchase something that suits him. If it were me, I would stay away from the Ford's with the week transmission they put in there for their trucks during the nineties and up to 2003. The torqshift they make now is supposedly decent, but I know from personal experience having owned 4 of them at once for my business that the transmissions had to be replaced in every one of them, sometimes twice. The 7.3 engines were great, but the truck is only as strong as its' weakest link....the tranny!
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Old 06-24-2004, 04:53 PM   #17
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I also wanted to get a "lightly" used diesel, but the only ones I could find were so loaded with options and trim packages that the price was nearly equal to the more modestly outfitted new trucks. What I bought was a 2004 Ford XL Super Duty with the 6.3 L diesel. This truck is awesome. It is so technologically superior to the 2001 7.3 L diesels that it is hard to believe they are from the same manufacturer. It has a recognizable clatter when it first starts up, but Ford seems to have added some kind of noise reduction circuitry that quiets it considerably when it gets over 1200 to 1500 rpm. It is also remarkably clean - no diesel fumes and no smoke. Mine is still getting broken in and I am getting 18 to 19 mpg on the highway, averaging 15 to 17 mpg in town and 11 to 12 mpg towing my 30 Classic. And it is strong. I test drove a 7.3 L and I thought it was sluggish. The 6.3 L accellerates much more like a strong gasoline V8, especially above 1200 RPM when the turbos are contributing more significantly than at idle.

In case you are unfamiliar with the "XL" model, that means "stripped." Mine has vinyl seats, vinyl floormats, rollup windows, air conditioning and $7,000 worth of engine, transmission and positraction. Perfect for full time camping and travelling in rural areas and unpaved campgrounds. So, if the diesel is really a priority and you can give up the fancy leather interior, maybe you can also afford a new truck. Even though this truck has no frills, I get the impression that everything is extremely well executed. Quality control is great and the "Super Duty" models seem to be engineered to last a long time under heavy usage.

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Old 06-24-2004, 08:22 PM   #18
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I have a 2000 Chevy crew cab 3500 dually in good condition. 112,000 miles with the 6.5 Turbo diesel. I have been happy with it. Burgandy Color with all bells and whistles. Cloth seats. Power everything.
I towed 31 and 34 footer with no troubles. Sold trailers and now have MH. P/U is for sale, $13500.00

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Old 06-26-2004, 01:02 PM   #19
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I am looking for a diesel truck. There are a few requirements.
1. Automatic trans (tired of shifting)
2. Used (can't afford new)
3. 4 x 4 (lots of snowy winters)
4. Extended cab (family of 5)
The big three all have trucks to meet my requirements, but I have limited experience with diesel engines (none really). Since I have to buy used, what I want to know is there anything I should watch out for or avoid in any of the big 3's trucks? I don't want truck bashing, just any known problems. For instance someone told me Chevy had a problem with injector pumps (or something like that?) with there 6.5 turbo and it cost around $800 to fix! All 3 have decent trucks, so I don't really care what brand it is I would just like a reliable truck.
Horse power and towing heavy stuff is not a concern. So differences in horse power or towing capability not a big factor.
Thanks for your help.

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May as well wade in here with my 2 cents worth. I have my first diesel which is a 2001 F250 crew cab (short bed) with the 7.3 PSD. I really like the truck and have had no problems with it. I was very uncertain about buying a diesel but my camping friends that owned diesels convinced me that cold starting would not be a problem and that I would have no problem finding fuel. They were right on both counts as I have had no problem starting in sub-zero weather and fuel has been no problem even in the UP of Michigan. I do agree that TheDieselStop web page is a great resource especially if you own a PSD.

When it comes to which brand, I believe that the current HD pickups with Diesels from the Ford, Dodge, and Chevy are all good and you would be happy with any of them. Each has its quirks - the Ford has the infamous "cackle" with some motors, Dodge has a small CC area and some have indicated that tranny problems are not uncommon, and while the Chevy Duramax is very quiet, it is my understanding the rear end problems occurred in the early units.

When it comes to gas mileage, I generally get 14-15 in mixed driving unloaded and get 18-20 on long hauls. This is unloaded. Pulling my trailer, I generally get in the 12-14 range. Are Diesels cheaper than gas in the same model. The best point was made in a post on thedieselstop - Given the higher pricer for oil changes and the cost of diesel that may be similar to that of regular unleaded, the answer is that a diesel truck is cheaper to run than than gas. However, the breakover point is about 80,000 miles. So, if you plan to keep the truck for a long time and log lots of miles, buy a diesel. If you trade every two years, buy gas.

In any event, I believe that you would enjoy owning a diesel. The only problem I have had is getting used to the $80 oil changes.
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Old 06-26-2004, 02:36 PM   #20
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In any event, I believe that you would enjoy owning a diesel. The only problem I have had is getting used to the $80 oil changes.
Oil changes are $53 at my dealer and come much further apart than changes did with my gasoline engine. Averages out more, but not much more.

OTOH, my month-long trip of over $4000 miles saved over $200 in fuel cost. With only a 26-gallon tank, it was nice to get 15-16 MPG towing and have the range to reach lower-cost stations.
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Old 06-26-2004, 03:10 PM   #21
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The 7.3 is a 14 qt. oil system, while the Duramax is 10 quart. That would account for part of the difference.

My dealer offers $11.95 oil changes for life if you buy your truck there.

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Old 06-26-2004, 09:54 PM   #22
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and while the Chevy Duramax is very quiet, it is my understanding the rear end problems occurred in the early units.
That's news to me. I've never heard of anyone on the pickuptrucks.com forum mention a rear end problem. The Chevy rear ends on the 2500hd & 3500 with 8.1 or diesel are about the strongest on the market. The 10 bolt Chevy rear end is another story but they are in 1/2 ton trucks. I've heard of early Allison transmission problems due to computer programming issues and they were replaced rather than worked on because Chevy did not have Allison certified mechanics in all areas to work on them. They just pulled them out and replaced them only to find out they had to do some tweaking of the computer.
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Old 06-27-2004, 07:35 AM   #23
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When I changed my rear end fluid, I only drained 2.5 quarts out. I refilled with 4 quarts of Mobil 1 synthetic. Glad I found this out before pulling several trailers back and forth to Florida.

As far as "expensive" oil changes go, I spent $20 on my last one. 3 jugs of Mobil Delvac 1300 at $5.88 from Wally World. Got two STP oil filters at Auto Zone on sale for $1.99
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Old 06-29-2004, 07:43 PM   #24
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That's news to me. I've never heard of anyone on the pickuptrucks.com forum mention a rear end problem. The Chevy rear ends on the 2500hd & 3500 with 8.1 or diesel are about the strongest on the market. The 10 bolt Chevy rear end is another story but they are in 1/2 ton trucks. I've heard of early Allison transmission problems due to computer programming issues and they were replaced rather than worked on because Chevy did not have Allison certified mechanics in all areas to work on them. They just pulled them out and replaced them only to find out they had to do some tweaking of the computer.
The information came from a friend with a Duramax that the rear end failed (fixed under warranty) and the dealer told him that this was a problem with the early production units. I have also seen a post on the Thedieselstop that indicated the same. The same post indicated that it was a small number of units. Frankly, I like the heck of the Chevy/Duramax and I would consider it for my next purchase.

In any event, I really like owning and driving a diesel and I still feel that all three on the market are very good trucks.
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Oil changes are $53 at my dealer and come much further apart than changes did with my gasoline engine. Averages out more, but not much more.

OTOH, my month-long trip of over $4000 miles saved over $200 in fuel cost. With only a 26-gallon tank, it was nice to get 15-16 MPG towing and have the range to reach lower-cost stations.
Based on the number of responses regarding the cost of oil changes for a diesel, you are all getting much better deals that I have locally. Basically the dealers run from $85-95 with the exception of one dealer associated fast lube facility that can change it for $80. Cheapest I ever got one was $75. I used to do my own oil changes until I moved to Michigan. Disposal of old oil is a hassle and I would rather have someone else do the oil change and pay the fee than haul all my old oil down to recycle facility and still pay the fee.
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