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Old 07-17-2009, 05:38 PM   #15
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I'll buy a large canister of pepper spray to carry. I think sprays are legal in Canada but not 100% sure. Anyone know?

This is a much better choice for wild life, and even intruders. Get the bear stuff in the large can..

Shooting at the range is one thing trying to hit a moving target is hard unless it is really close or you are a very good shot.

You can re aim the pepper spray as it is spraying the bullet has gone pass what you are shooting at in less than .005 sec...

I'm not saying don't carry, I have a pretty good collection of guns, old and new. but I have two small kids and will not have the gun loaded in the trailer, so the pepper spray is easy to grab and shoot. And if the kids did get ahold of it, no one would be dead just crying.

And I have seen what that pepper spray does to a charging bear. It turned tail and ran... It's good stuff.

For personal defense I got my wife this. It has two shots in it, Cabela's -- Kimber Guardian Angel PepperBlaster
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Old 07-17-2009, 05:57 PM   #16
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A polarized topic.

I have no intent to challenge the "right to carry" where it is legal to do so but I am going to suggest that protection from "critters" as listed in the orginal post is weak. If there is a comfort level that is needed then there are other alternatives .....

Parks Canada advice (brown bears):
Parks Canada - A Guide to Safety and Conservation on the Trail

Ontario Parks advice (black bears):
http://www.ontarioparks.com/English/..._facts2003.pdf

Bear Spray Products:
Frequently asked questions about UDAP Pepper Power bear spray
pepper spray Canada, bear repellent, bear spray, bear deterrent

And if you still want to know about bringing a Firearm into Canada:
BSF5044 - Importing a Firearm or Weapon Into Canada



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WOW.. thanks for the links, I know I won't ever go there or move there. I can not for the life of me imagine how draconian a government must be to outlaw airsoft.
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Old 07-17-2009, 07:51 PM   #17
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Concerning CCP. I'll be retiring as a deputy sheriff soon and have asked a lot of fellow officers from other jurisdictions concerning HR 218 and it's ramifications. It appears no one has a clue in my area. Here is a link to an interesting for those active or retired LE: Jones&Mayer - Case Updates
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Old 07-17-2009, 07:56 PM   #18
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You all better watch out! We carry as well. And if we're able to find the thing at all, then really watch out, for I am unable to hit the broad side of a barn! (My wife's cabilities are a somewhat different story, however.)

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Old 07-17-2009, 07:58 PM   #19
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HR 218 is in effect and the Federal guidelines as implemented are pretty clear. Your agency needs to provide you with the proper credentials for your HR 218 protections to be recognized in other states.

I'm retiring at the end of March next year, and frankly I won't care if I ever carry again!

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Old 07-17-2009, 08:43 PM   #20
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I never see anything mentioned on this, but in these times, I figured I would start a thread.

I might mention, laws are constantly changing state to state.

Make sure f you have one you know the recoprocity laws for the state you travel in or threw

P.A.'s out of state lisence, picks up alot that Ohio doesnt have, as in many states cases.

Many states carrying and not having one is a feloney now.

Many reasons to carry. I read an article about a guy camping and he was attacked by a mountain lion. he was with his wife and 2 toddlers. He was cuttin wood with a chain saw when it attacked, he used the saw to buy trime for his family to get into the car (safety) He was amazed at how little damge the saw did when it hit the lion. They did finally get the lion, and destroyed it, as it attacked search dogs.

I have camped and watched black bear. Hiking also. Safety on the trail from animals and deviates.
I have a CWP from Montana. It's valid in about a third of the states.
After taking the required class I felt comfortable carrying a pistol. After taking an advanced class I realized how un-prepared I really was. I am re-taking the advanced class so I can move onto the highest level class that our instructor will teach to a civilian. This one includes how to shoot at moving targets and how to shoot while moving.
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Old 07-17-2009, 08:55 PM   #21
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This one includes how to shoot at moving targets and how to shoot while moving.
Now you've got to where the fun begins!

Tomorrow I'll be doing that and shooting from a moving vehicle. No not another heist just a competition.
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Old 07-18-2009, 12:03 AM   #22
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I have a CWP from Montana. It's valid in about a third of the states.
After taking the required class I felt comfortable carrying a pistol. After taking an advanced class I realized how un-prepared I really was. I am re-taking the advanced class so I can move onto the highest level class that our instructor will teach to a civilian. This one includes how to shoot at moving targets and how to shoot while moving.
That is good. It is always reccomended that you take more classes. No one really knows how they will act in a bad situation... one thing is for sure. When you pull the trigger, God forbid, you cant take it back, and you are responsible for every round fired.

I have taken many courses, hand to hand combat, close range gun fighting, which includes knifes. I was able to train at the state post. Good times. One thing to remember never stay on the mark. zig zag

also not having a CCW but having a gun in your car or camper, in many states is a felony.

I also reccomend finding and taking time to introduce your self to a pro fire arm Attorney. You would hate to meet one in a police station for the first time. I have been to the range both indoor and outdoor with one. iTs better to have a guy that knows you.
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Old 07-18-2009, 08:17 AM   #23
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Much has changed over the last few years on the CCW issue and even owning a firearm and it is a shame, but with our current leadership who wants to take away all guns so no one can stand against him in addition to doing away with the Constitution all together I feel that this is going to be a hot issue for a long time.
I do want to tell ya that Baileyton Tennessee Exit 36 I-81 just passed a law that it is illegal to pocess a firearm in any city park or any campground. Baileyton is in Greene County which has different rules.

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Old 07-18-2009, 08:42 AM   #24
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You guys can keep your pepper spray.

If I'm going to be walking where bears are, I want something that will stop one. Something like my 1895 Marlin lever action .45-70. It's got a 26" long octagonal barrel, so it's not a concealed piece by any means.

There really is no handgun that will stop a griz. Maybe a 500 S&W, but it's as big as a rifle.

But no matter, if you're going places like that, you need a rifle. Canada requires you to take a rifle in your small plane when you fly over certain areas. Even though they've outlawed handguns. If you go down and survive the crash, you are required to have the rifle to fend off the critters that view you as a snack.

Tim Treadwell thought bears were nature's happy critters. So did his girlfriend. Both were naive nature lovers. Both got eaten.
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Not a pleasant way to go.

I love nature. But you have to be realistic. When you go places where animals live that can and will eat you, you'd better be prepared. If you are hunting deer in bear country, you better have enough gun to stop a bear.

But I think the real crux of this thread was probably covered in that older thread about "...packing mister...." People more worried about other people.
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Old 07-18-2009, 10:02 AM   #26
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I am a memebr of many gunsites, and organizations. NRA,USCCA... ect

as far as political issue's... here in Ohio a democrat gov (Strickland) fixed the CCW laws and gave us one heck of a hr184 which the previouse gov (R) couldnt or wouldnt. Politics is out

And on the note of rest area's... I am not sure on all states but in Ohio we have a group called Buckeye Firearms assoc.. They rae a grass roots org that got that changed here, as alot of criminal activity happens while stopped, not at 65 mph.
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...why do I have to live in and next to the ONLY 2 states that don't allow CC at all? I'm looking into the FL CCW...
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Old 07-18-2009, 10:16 AM   #28
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You guys can keep your pepper spray.

But I think the real crux of this thread was probably covered in that older thread about "...packing mister...." People more worried about other people.
This is only part true... people get lax, or lulled into a false sense of security. I am not a vigilanty, I hardly carry, There are many things that can be done to avoid an issue if you are carrying, and in a bad situation. A gun or anything is a last resort. There are many many alternatives to force... But lets face it, if you ever got approached in a bathroom at a truckstop, or any close place, Bank, Diner, ect. Do you want to be a sitting duck?? If you are walking back out to your car fromusing the restroom at a rest area, and some thug thinks your wife, daughter, grandaughter is what he is looking for. Your 60 he is 20. Odds are in his favor. Not with me, odds are always in my favor. Not to pull the trigger! but to stop the issue, until the Law arrives.

I would not advise, if walking out of a restroom and you wittnessed this, getting involved, you dont know if it is a n unruley kid, or what.

There are alot of opinions, most I dont agree with, that is what makes the world go round I guess
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