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Old 10-16-2016, 02:54 PM   #29
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I would not recommend CO mountain passes in the winter but have done it 4 times a year round trip Golden, CO to Mesa, AZ over Christmas and Spring Break for the last 25 years. The last two Christmas trips have been pulling out in deep snow and running in it till past Payson, AZ. I always switch out the GYM tires for Michelins or my better choice this time is a Nokian. I pull with a 2500 HD 4WD and take my time staying well behind a semi and watch carefully for changing conditions. There have been a few white knuckle experiences but have never been forced to stop or turn around. If you have the liberty to watch long range weather forecast you can time things pretty well but passes can often be unpredictable. A short stop and rest would allow things to get plowed and cleared. Tiger Run in Breckenridge is open year round just stay winterized and use the club house for bathroom and showers. Call ahead so they can plow a spot out. Other suggestions for auxiliary heat are good but we have never needed it.


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Old 10-16-2016, 03:18 PM   #30
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Hi everyone!! Just got back from a week long journey picking up 2 Airstreams and bringing them back to Los Angeles. We flew into the great lakes area and picked up a 28'- 77 Argosy. It had been sitting for a few years but performed well. We drove him (Beastie Boy) down to Missouri to pick up his younger sister, 28'- 79 Excella. It was an ambitious undertaking to say the least. One thing I would have done was have a mechanic, Airstream volunteer or otherwise, check both out first and not rely on our "expertise"- Thank goodness for my Branden!! We were fine for the first day and then the problems kept arising. All said and done, we lost 2 days with maintenance with her and Beastie Boy lost his lights along the way so that curtailed our night driving. We found that the best place for nice, caring people who will help out was in Oklahoma! Danny at Cordell service Center in Cordell, OK was THE BEST!!!! He does towing so if you ever need it (knock on wood) call him!!580-832-5707- he won't rip you off!!

I am new to Airstreams... We camped out during one of our maintenance stays and it was probably one of the most enjoyable nights I've had. The company was good too!!! Thanks for reading... I'm happy to be involved with Airstreams now.
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Old 10-16-2016, 04:04 PM   #31
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Heya I'm a Land Rover guy too but I don't tow with one. LR4 has a short wheelbase for a 27' trailer and... FYI.... you are likely overloading your hitch by 250lbs+ with your 27' flying Cloud. Max tongue weight is only 550lbs. Search this forum there was one LR3 owner who had a complete hitch failed due to overloading.

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Old 10-16-2016, 04:59 PM   #32
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Hi,
You did not mention when you were departing except to say winter. Winter starts on 12/21/16. In Colorado, winter weather comes in much earlier. Traveling after that date is unsafe until well into spring. After living in Colorado for 35 years & traveling the roads on your planned trip & spending a career in Highway Safety, my advise is, like others, do not travel with an RV on those roads. In fact, look forward to a traffic ticket for pulling a RV in unsafe conditions & being forced to park where the contact is made. Then, add the cost of having it hauled to a storage facility off the roadway.
Now, if you mean during the month of October, your chances of a safe journey is much greater but as mentioned by others, weather comes in fast & unexpectently. I am not aware of many CG open in the winter but snow removal equipment at CG's in Colorado is rare. So, think safety for both yourself & others on the road and develop other modes of safe winter travel to your destinations.
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Old 10-16-2016, 05:04 PM   #33
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Per Post #8 they are already in Colorado.
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Old 10-16-2016, 05:27 PM   #34
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Heya I'm a Land Rover guy too but I don't tow with one. LR4 has a short wheelbase for a 27' trailer and... FYI.... you are likely overloading your hitch by 250lbs+ with your 27' flying Cloud. Max tongue weight is only 550lbs. Search this forum there was one LR3 owner who had a complete hitch failed due to overloading.

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Thank you and yes, that is a matter of concern. You are correct, the specs of the LR4 call for a max tongue wight of 550 pounds. I just pulled the PDF of the AS with the specs and it says 'Hitch weight without options or variable weight 775 pounds'. No idea what the 'options or variable weight' mean though. On the LR sites they have discussions about the actual value but I would stick to the 550 figure as a max. I am surprised the Airstream dealer who sat me up (pun intended) did not disclose this limitation of my jeep. I guess I am out to getting a real truck, maybe a RAM. Thanks for bringing this up!
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Old 10-16-2016, 05:30 PM   #35
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Colorado W70 driving in winter

Dealers in general don't fully understand towing dynamics. They are in the business of selling trailers. Generally speaking of course - there are some good dealers out there who know their stuff but I'd say that's an exception to the rule.

For what it is worth I tow with a late model Infiniti QX56 ... 8,500 lbs towing and 850lb tongue weight. 1,433lbs of payload. 400hp and 423lbs foot pounds of torque.

It rivals many 1/2 ton trucks on paper. Works great for us - very comfortable ride with independent suspension.
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Per Post #8 they are already in Colorado.
Yes, at home in Silverthorne. I have an appointment with Windish in Denver (AS recommends them) to service my FC27 next week, so will tow it there and in a month time will pick her up with a truck, as I was made aware my LR4 is not well suited for her. I towed her safely from Fort Lauderdale without incident, so a run to Denver (slow... very slow) should be OK.
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Hi,
You did not mention when you were departing except to say winter. Winter starts on 12/21/16. In Colorado, winter weather comes in much earlier. Traveling after that date is unsafe until well into spring. After living in Colorado for 35 years & traveling the roads on your planned trip & spending a career in Highway Safety, my advise is, like others, do not travel with an RV on those roads. In fact, look forward to a traffic ticket for pulling a RV in unsafe conditions & being forced to park where the contact is made. Then, add the cost of having it hauled to a storage facility off the roadway.
Now, if you mean during the month of October, your chances of a safe journey is much greater but as mentioned by others, weather comes in fast & unexpectently. I am not aware of many CG open in the winter but snow removal equipment at CG's in Colorado is rare. So, think safety for both yourself & others on the road and develop other modes of safe winter travel to your destinations.
Good Luck.
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. To know the limits and stay compliant, can you please point me to a statue, rule, etc. that establishes what is considered 'safe towing' in my new state (CO)? Oh, I meant travel in late December to third week in January.
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Heya I'm a Land Rover guy too but I don't tow with one. LR4 has a short wheelbase for a 27' trailer and... FYI.... you are likely overloading your hitch by 250lbs+ with your 27' flying Cloud. Max tongue weight is only 550lbs. Search this forum there was one LR3 owner who had a complete hitch failed due to overloading.

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Would the weight distribution hitch (I have Blue OX installed) reduce the tongue weight? If so, by how much? Thanks!
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Old 10-17-2016, 06:37 PM   #39
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A weight distribution hitch does not significantly reduce the tongue weight of the trailer.

A WD system Torques the receiver to transfer more of the weight through the vehicle to the front axle. So it moves weight from the rear axle of the car/truck to the front axle... but the weight is still there. I think of it like lifting a wheelbarrow - when you lift the handles you transfer weight from the rear feet to the front wheel, but the weight of the wheelbarrow does not change.

Note that a WD hitch actually puts MORE stress on the hitch receiver since it places a large amount of twisting torque on it. That's why it is critical to have a receiver that can handle both the dead tongue load / weight and the Torque generated by a WD hitch....
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:24 PM   #40
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Like in sailing, will look for weather windows, aware that it can change in minutes. The advise from the Forum is very important to us and will be a lot more conservative to make our daily drives limited to 120 miles or less, midday with good forecast. Again, like in sailing, there is no schedule other than the one dictated by nature. While towing across 7 states including Florida all the way to Colorado, in perfect weather and roads, at 70+ mph everything worked out perfect. I expect winter in the mountains will keep it under 35 mph, to a crawl on steep grades of course. Again, thank you.

Vitaver, Your analogy to sailing registers with me. We leave CO every Jan to travel to our boat (Leopard 42) in FL. (Key Largo this year) and have only left the Airstream at home one time. Monitoring forecasts, honoring weather windows, identifying alternate routes and contingency safe harbors are transferrable best practices. The gear is different, but managing risk is similar.

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Louie,

I would like to see that law, statute or rule as well.

"In fact, look forward to a traffic ticket for pulling a RV in unsafe conditions & being forced to park where the contact is made. Then, add the cost of having it hauled to a storage facility off the roadway."
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Vitaver,
A suggestion: I use the app STORM by Weather Underground for real time weather alerts based upon my gps position. Set the radius, 25 miles...100 miles, and the conditions for which you want to be alerted, eg. snow, hazardous driving.... Radar presentation that moves with you.
Very sharp tool.

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