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Old 07-05-2010, 01:26 PM   #15
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On our way south to California in January 2010 from British Columbia we also had trouble finding a Walmart that would allow overnight parking. The two reasons given were too much local crime and full timers that lost their homes in the poor aconomy abusing the one night policy.

On our way home we stopped to shop at Camping World, this is a copy of an email to CW that was sent today July (were is the sunhine?) 5 2010.

"On May 14 2010 we purchased two patio recliners at the Burlington Washington Store. Receipt bar code 990053024xxxxxxxxx. Shortly after returning to Canada we received a promotional email announcing that our two Silver Ridge Recliners were on sale. I contacted the store and was told I had 3 months to come to the store and receive a credit for the difference. On June 25 2010 my wife was refused service at the Burlington Washington Store because the chairs were no longer on sale. I was not told that information. In the past we have received good service. A new fridge installed in our Airstream Trailer. A Honda 3000 generator. Many other purchases over the years. Please authorize a credit for the difference in price- 2 Silver Ridge Recliners- 2 @ $129.99 = $259.98
Sale Price 2 @ $89.99 = $179. 98
Please authorize a credit of $80.00
This request will be posted on Airstream Forums so that your customer service can be observed by hundreds of potential customers.
Jim Irwin"
Jim Irwin,

Thank you for contacting Camping World. We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused. In accordance with Camping World’s Price Guarantee, shown below, we have issued a merchandise certificate for the difference in price on the item you purchased from us in the amount of $80. Your merchandise certificate will arrive by mail in 4-6 weeks. This will be mailed to your address.

"Our Price Guarantee
If an item you purchase from us goes on sale within 14 days from date of purchase, we will issue a merchandise certificate for the difference. Mail or bring us the dated advertisement and your receipt within 30 days of original purchase."

Thank you,

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Old 07-06-2010, 01:12 AM   #16
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We just have to realize this is not The Land Of The Free anymore...

... Sorry you feel that way, brother. But IMHO you've missed the point of the meaning; "The Land of the Free." Its all about freedom to do what one chooses - not about getting free-bee entitlements.

In our land of the free and the home of the brave, the Tree of Liberty needs the blood of tyrants and patriots to keep our country's freedom.

Passing up on staying at Walmart or CW parking lots because they might be located in high-crime areas isn't necessarily a breech of "the land of the free" - its more like common sense.

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Old 07-06-2010, 05:44 AM   #17
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When I travel with my trailer the very last place I want to stay is in some big box parking lot or truck stop. The night time noise, the lights, the potential for night time visitors just does not appeal to me. I will find a quiet service road or church lot and stay there. This kind of overnighting is just done when traveling through and I am gone first thing in the morning.
Since most of you Walmart parkers end up buying stuff, it is not really free is it.
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my turn with $.02....

Since most of you Walmart parkers end up buying stuff, it is not really free is it.
This is my point about staying at Wal-Mart parking lots. I realize a lot of people need to restock and take this opportunity to do so and stay in the parking lot for "free". However, last year I attended the Florida State Rally solo. I planned to stay in the Wal-Mart parking lot for the night before arrival since it is a 10 hour drive from Atlanta and I knew I wouldn't arrive before the arrival attendees left their post for the day. My wife wasn't comfortable with me staying the parking lot so she went on-line and found a nearby State Park for me to overnight in. I arrived a little past 10 PM and hooked up to the water/electric and watched a little TV before going to bed. I didn't even unhook the tow vehicle.

The next morning I unhooked the water/electric after doing the dishes from breakfast and the previous night and after taking a shower. I also vacuumed the trailer so it would be clean and tidied if I had guest...which I did, BTW. I pulled to the dump station emptied the tanks and headed over to the Rally. All for $18. I know I would have spent more than that at Wal-Mart on supplies I really didn't need. But for my $18 I got a comfortable night's sleep knowing I was safe and secure and was able to take a shower and clean-up the trailer before heading out.
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Old 07-06-2010, 12:42 PM   #19
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I boil some of this discussion down to "Boondocking" vs. "Full or Partial Hook-ups". I have stayed at Wally Mart 3 separate nights, all without incident. Two of those nights over the road truckers also stayed in the same lot; I assume waiting for the dock to open, or maybe just catching a few hours of sleep. I always call ahead and talk to the manager to make sure over night parking is allowed. I was also comfortable with the areas I was staying. They were not in big cities, and I was not concerned with crime. It is of course a Boondocking experience, and I left the tow vehicle and trailer attached. I did not spend any money the next morning in the Big Box, and it is not a requirement. I believe this thread started off with the individual not calling ahead to check with Camping World, and then finding out it was not allowed by local ordinance. Bottom line, whether Wally Mart, Camping World, or whomever, call ahead. If you want to comfort and security of hook-ups at a campground, so be it. I stay at campgrounds too, but when I am just passing through, free Boondocking is free Boondocking.
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Let me ask a slightly off-topic question: If the WBCCI were to operate a fairly large system of 50%-off RV parks (modeled on the Passport America system), would that cause you to want to stay there instead of, e.g., Walmart? (I ask only because I've been urging the WBCCI to start such a system.)


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... Sorry you feel that way, brother. But IMHO you've missed the point of the meaning; "The Land of the Free." Its all about freedom to do what one chooses - not about getting free-bee entitlements.

In our land of the free and the home of the brave, the Tree of Liberty needs the blood of tyrants and patriots to keep our country's freedom.

Passing up on staying at Walmart or CW parking lots because they might be located in high-crime areas isn't necessarily a breech of "the land of the free" - its more like common sense.

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Do you think I should quit listening to Glen Beck and Rush on the radio while working? They do tend to get me worked up though.
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Old 07-07-2010, 06:35 AM   #22
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Let me ask a slightly off-topic question: If the WBCCI were to operate a fairly large system of 50%-off RV parks (modeled on the Passport America system), would that cause you to want to stay there instead of, e.g., Walmart? (I ask only because I've been urging the WBCCI to start such a system.)


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It probably would NOT bring me in just for grabbing 8 hours sleep, however it would influence me to stay in a private park, something we never do if it can be avoided, preferring those facilities operated by the various government entities.
We probably are not the average camper as I was a passport america member for 5 years and only used it once so it was a money loser for us.

Unfortunately in the case of the poster who started this thread he passed up a TA truck stop with RV parking, a Flying J , and a rest area in the 60 miles prior to stopping at this CW, plus the TN welcome center was only a couple miles up the road.
While I trade at CW I have never tried to overnight in one.
Lynn, we would go out of our way to visit your park if we were in the area
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I suspect that many are of the same opinion, Rick. I, too, would just pick a parking lot to get off the highway for a few hours' sleep (if we were to travel until late at night and toured an area that had big parking lots -- which we don't).

But my point is that, whether as destination or as overnight, a decent system of RV parks that offer 50% discounts to WBCCI members would sure be nice -- and would make me feel a bunch better about paying as much as we do for our membership.


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But my point is that, whether as destination or as overnight, a decent system of RV parks that offer 50% discounts to WBCCI members would sure be nice -- and would make me feel a bunch better about paying as much as we do for our membership.


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I would like to see a 50% off system also. Escapees does have a few. It would influence me in a destination area although by nature we are boondockers.
Finances are a factor. In the time I have been trailering private parks have risen in cost from $3 to 5 a nite to $25 to $50 and more. Unfortunately my income has not done the same.
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The almost tiresome repetition of this kind of discussion - at least to me - screams to the need for another, more basic tier of camping fee - a fee that is really just a limited, short-term parking fee - no hook-ups, maximum 12-hour stay - in for a sleep only - then gone.

The suggestion of a 50% WBCCI discount would be a great thing - but - in my view - it doesn't really address what has become an old issue that just isn't going to go away.

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The discussion has been going on since roughly 1918 or so when car camping became popular enough that the previously tolerated practice of setting up a tent on the edge of town became burdensome. Then, as now, the townsfolk were frustrated not by those adventurers by choice and travelers of means who arrived but rather by the camping movement being co-opted by those running from the law, responsibilities, or poverty.

The problem campground operators face is that the current regulatory environment discourages construction of overflow spaces without any hookups suitable for casual arrivals. Having another space, even without hookups, in a campground in Minnesota:

1) has to be factored into the design load for the sewage system.
2) must be lighted at night
3) must meet minimum site width (generally 50 feet) and setback requirements
4) unless a completely non-electric site, must have at least 30 amp service and counts toward the maximum number of non-50 amp sites allowed by the current electrical code

Other jurisdictions are similar. What this means is that campgrounds can't construct and build a business around $5 overnight stays.

I think many of us would like to again see a now-extinct form of campground -- close to the road, with a handful of sites, no amenities, and low rates. They used to exist but the regulatory environment has done away with them. State law here requires licensing and campgrounds have to be attended 24 hours, must have a dump station, must have drinking water, 50 amp to at least some sites, garbage pickup, showers, bathrooms, etc. Some of these laws date to an era when there was a lower overall degree of self-containment but I think the reality is that a no-services site would be prone to unsanitary conditions, people abandoning garbage, dumping tanks on the grass, and so on.

So we have the Wal-marts which fly under the radar - in Minnesota they can't have more than 4 rigs in the lot at once or by law it is a campground and subject to regulation as such.

And we have places like Pilot and Flying J that make it work as an add-on since they're attended anyway and want the extra business.

The laws are getting ever more restrictive with the wider public seeing RVs as a nuisance to be regulated rather than a legitimate form of recreation.

eubank, Rick, I'm not sure how a 50% wbcci discount would work. Would wbcci subsidize camping for its members? Where would the money come from? Few campgrounds would be willing to offer such a discount without a subsidy and if they did they would exclude busy times when they expected to be full.
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Oh, I would think a WBCCI 50% would work in exactly the same way that Passport America does it:

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I see. The Passport program is discretionary, so campgrounds don't have to honor the rate if they expect to be full.
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