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Old 09-02-2014, 07:28 PM   #15
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Get the Coverage? app (iOS and I think Android). Has all 4 cell phone company maps. Generally pretty accurate way of deciding where you will find coverage. Consider investing in a booster amp such as the Wilson Sleek or the new 5 band amplifier to help with signal boost in fringe areas.

Couple weeks ago I was in a small state CG, 5 bars of Verizon inside the trailer and clocked at 36mb/s. Unbelievable in town of 600 residents.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:29 PM   #16
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Yes, you can get prepaid service for a Jetpack. It runs from $15/week/250Mb, up to $90/month/10Gb.

The rate is for either the time period (week or month) or volume (Mb or Gb), whichever you use up first. You can let it lapse and buy a new time/volume slug whenever you need it again.

It's supposed to work anywhere there is Verizon service.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:30 PM   #17
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Doug check out Millenicom.com. They have a monthly plan that uses Verizon. And you can start and stop at will. Not sure how much volume you need as theirs is 20gb for about $90.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:41 PM   #18
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Verizon plans and devices keep changing. Your best bet to get a better deal is towards the end of the month when they have special deals. There is a contract, though you can suspend service on the Jet Pack (formerly mifi and probably something else now) for several months each year—or you could last year. They know people use them in RV's. They told us we would only use half of the allotted GB's per month (about 3), but we use about 6 and it comes to $60 + nuisance charges.

What you get is a box that is really a cellphone inside, though you can't talk on it. It connects to cell towers and only sends data. You can have around 4 or 5 devices using it—it sends out a wifi signal in a house and a bit beyond. The signal can be hacked and if you complain enough, they can set up a more secure system. The advantage is that you can take it with you and use it at home, on the road and in your pocket at a restaurant (it has a 3 hour battery). The disadvantage is you have to control your use of the internet—$50 for the 1st 5 GB, $10 more for each additional GB. It is pretty fast, though it slows after dinner time and early morning, just like campground wifi, but not nearly as slow as that.

You might be able to get this even though you don't live in their service area. See if they have a Canadian plan so you could use it at home, but I suspect it would cost a lot. They also have a phone system for a house where you get another box that is a cellphone inside which you plug into your home phone system while disconnecting the landline company's line. All the phones connected to the home system will work on this as phones, no internet. It cost $20/month several months ago and had unlimited long distance. You can take the box with you anywhere you have 120 v. including a car with a 120 v. outlet or a trailer. Once they establish this submarket, I'm sure they will increase the price a lot. Right now it is a far better deal than an old fashioned landline.

I think other companies have similar gadgets. They follow each other closely and match each other's plans most of the time. We chose Verizon years ago because they had better coverage in the west, though I'm not sure they still do.

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Old 09-02-2014, 08:31 PM   #19
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Doug check out Millenicom.com. They have a monthly plan that uses Verizon. And you can start and stop at will. Not sure how much volume you need as theirs is 20gb for about $90.
This.

Millenicom is a Mobile Virtual Network Operator: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile...twork_operator

They buy alloted bandwidth from the big 3 at wholesale and then resell to YOU the customer at a discount.

MVNO's are not allowed to publicly disclose whose network they are on because of the agreements they make.

Millenicom resells Verizon's LTE service with the Verizon mifi (they litterally slap their logo overtop verizons) in their 20gb plan for less than Verizon's own 10gb plan.

The upside here, is that Verizon throttles your internet speeds. Millenicom does not, as they have an agreement with Verizion.

One note, the 20gb plan is verizon. I believe their cheaper plan is on the Sprint network.

Boost mobile, Virgin Mobile are other MVNO you have probably heard of.

You can see a list of MVNO's here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile...twork_operator
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Old 09-02-2014, 08:57 PM   #20
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In the campgound we stayed at last weekend, internet access was almost nonexistent. The areas most campgrounds are in, at least the ones we would like to go to, are remote. Very few internet service providers are interested in doing much more than providing whatever ends up at the connection at the campground. Management has tried to get reliable internet service at a cost of less than my truck payment per month, and was pretty much told, "take our service the way we provide it, or don't have any at all".
Of course, they are being provided internet service on a data amount, rather than a flat unlimited rate. And no other company has any incentive to do anything else for them. Think "cash cow", with all the over-limit fees and extra data fees every month.
The campground's only even partly workable solution is to limit bandwidth to the wifi system, and turn it off completely when the office closes. Imagine what happens to the internet bill, with a 300Gb per month plan (all they can get from any company), when 50 campers fire up their computers, and start streaming videos every night... A movie can suck up to 1.5Gb of data.
Just food for thought. And I was shown their internet bill for July... Wow...
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Yeah there is a lot to complain about. Cable companies are manipulating prices and exhorting people. And they can get away with it. Because folks will just keep paying.

Back in my home state, when my friend and I decided to move out of home offices and rent an office space together, we got a space directly across from my neighborhood. But Cox Cable insisted that I had to pay MORE for worse service because it was a commercial address.

Just like text messages. They cost networks nothing! A single text is usually under a BYTE, yet they are huge revenue generators. So to this day, still nickeling and dimming folks for text messages.

Of course, the thing that always urked me the most was using Mbps in advertising speeds.

One thing that often gives people confusion is the difference between a Megabyte (used for file size) and a Megabit (used for download speeds). People often assume that a download speed of 1 Megabit per second (1 Mbps) will allow them to download a 1 Megabyte file in one second. This is not the case, a Megabit is 1/8 as big as a Megabyte, meaning that to download a 1MB file in 1 second you would need a connection of 8Mbps.
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Thanks (EVERYONE) for your great input into my questions

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The upside here, is that Verizon throttles your internet speeds. Millenicom does not, as they have an agreement with Verizion.
I wonder if you could expand on this statement.

Are you saying that if I am set up in a campground with my Verizon MiFi on a Verizon contract, and the guy in the next space has the same MiFi but purchasing service through Millenicom, Verizon's network will give him priority over me?

That's news to me.
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We have our Verizon account set up with alerts that let me know when I am approaching going over data for the month.

It is cheaper to add to the plan than to pay the overage charges, and you can always take it back off it it was just something unusual.


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I wonder if you could expand on this statement.

Are you saying that if I am set up in a campground with my Verizon MiFi on a Verizon contract, and the guy in the next space has the same MiFi but purchasing service through Millenicom, Verizon's network will give him priority over me?

That's news to me.
I can't imagine this to be true, and have never had an experience where I have signal but not able to use it.


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Most aren't in locations where they can actually provide that level of bandwidth.
Yeah. One of my favorite campgrounds, Camp Hatteras on the Outer Banks, sometimes has miserably slow internet connections (my 4G phone is usually faster). It hit me a couple years ago that they probably DO have the fastest connection they can get...on the Outer Banks. And sure enough, when we were there a couple weeks ago, the papers they gave us when we arrived said that their provider has bandwidth issues.

On the overloaded cell tower issue: Usually, if that happens and you need to get a message out, texting will still work (they're sent in header packets that phones use to communicate with the towers whether you're actively using the phone or not). If you or your recipient don't have a texting plan it might cost up to 20 cents, but it's probably worth it if the message is important enough.

We have AT&T personal phones, but my work phone is a Verizon. It has been interesting over the last year or two to note that Verizon generally does have better service in the remote areas. For example, we were camping at the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon in July, and our AT&T phones were useless in the campground, but with Verizon I was able to get a good enough signal outside to check weather.
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I wonder if you could expand on this statement.

Are you saying that if I am set up in a campground with my Verizon MiFi on a Verizon contract, and the guy in the next space has the same MiFi but purchasing service through Millenicom, Verizon's network will give him priority over me?

That's news to me.
Yes/No. You really shouldn't have to worry about this too much based on your usage habits. This happens to folks who are utilizing a lot of bandwidth and only if your tower is experiencing high demand.

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I can't imagine this to be true, and have never had an experience where I have signal but not able to use it.

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Maggie, sadly it is true. Verizon claims this isn't throttling but "network optimization". In your policy with them:

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The difference between our Network Optimization practices and throttling is network intelligence. With throttling, your wireless data speed is reduced for your entire cycle, 100% of the time, no matter where you are. Network Optimization is based on the theory that all customers should have the best network possible, and if you’re not causing congestion for others, even if you are using a high amount of data, your connection speed should be as good as possible


However, it's basically marketing mobo jumbo. Even the FCC has recently rejected this and wants Verizon to explain better: FCC chairman rejects Verizon's throttling defense - CNET - Basically they are using their own definition of throttling, and then saying they don't do it. Because that's not how they define it. To everyone else, it's any intentional slowing down of your speeds based on XYZ criteria.

A google search will result in a lot info overload on the subject.

I suspect most of you really shouldn't have to worry about this too much.

First they are claiming they're only doing it to unlimited plan holders, the top 5% of users and anyone using over 4.7gb of data per month. They are also claiming that it's only when a tower is experiencing high demand. Which could be the case in a park.

That's Verizon's defense. That being said, a lot of folks have independently tested this and experienced throttling when they go over 4.7gb with regular 10gb plans. And some have reported their speeds being reduced based on file size. Or throttling of Netflix. These are independent tests, and really, folks who do tests are probably high demand users anyways.

I think you can figure out if you have to worry about throttling.

I'm a front end web developer, it's how I support my family. So it's a concern of mine that my speeds be consistent. So I follow this pretty regularly.

I didn't want to alarm or worry anyone, just wanted to get some info out there.

Again, I don't think many of you have to worry about it.

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We have AT&T personal phones, but my work phone is a Verizon. It has been interesting over the last year or two to note that Verizon generally does have better service in the remote areas. For example, we were camping at the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon in July, and our AT&T phones were useless in the campground, but with Verizon I was able to get a good enough signal outside to check weather.
That's why I switched from Sprint. After traveling all over with a friend, I kept noticing who had signal and who didn't. I haven't been disappointed yet by the coverage.

Now, hope no one went cross-eyed reading all that.
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You sound like one who knows so I'll take your word for it.

Not being one with unlimited usage, and never having experienced a problem I will not worry about this and remain a long-time, devoted, Verizon customer.


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