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Old 07-21-2016, 12:38 PM   #43
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2. The park has a huge waterfall, the Grand Canyon of Yellowstone, & one of the lookout points is on a steep drop off with a 5 ft chain link fence. As we stood talking pictures one man in his twenties climbs over the fence & is hanging on & days to his buddy take my picture. We were in stunned silence.
Whats the most common last words uttered before dying? "Watch this..."


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Whats the most common last words uttered before dying? "Watch this..."


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Or worse "Hold my beer and watch this!"
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Whats the most common last words uttered before dying? "Watch this..."


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Oh--I thought it was "Hey, y'all--watch this!"
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No ones story ever starts out with, I was drinking a bottle of water..........
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FWIW and OT -- The Darwin Awards reveal a number of "Famous Last Words" scenarios.

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I didn’t want her dog around me because it was disgusting. It was nasty, and I didn’t want her filthy mutt drooling all over my beach stuff.
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But more than that, my wife is NOT a dog person and goes out of her way to avoid all dogs. This one was particularly revolting to her.
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Whether to prevent bodily harm from a vicious dog, or protection from the disease of a mangy mutt, or simply peace from the unwanted affection of an overjoyed puppy, there are rules.
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New York State Parks

For entertainment, I like to look at the intricacies of the New York State Park rules posted at each washroom. It's a full poster of fine print which includes such gems as:
  • Any term in the masculine shall include the feminine and neuter;

  • The provisions of this Chapter shall be effective within, upon and in the airspace above all property that is presently or shall in the future be under the jurisdiction, custody or control of the office unless otherwise

  • Traffic using the driveway to the regional administration building, Red House Area, Allegany State Park, shall travel one-way in a north-to south direction. (this is in the general rules for all parks!)

  • No person shall cause or permit the interior of a motor vehicle to be closed from view, except those vehicles designed or used for camping purposes and then only when being used for camping.

  • (j) Minors.
    (1) No person having custody or control of a minor shall permit such minor to do any act in violation of a rule or regulation of the office. Minors under 10 years of age shall at all times be under the supervision and control of a parent, guardian or responsible custodian.
    (2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1) of this subdivision, within the twelfth park region minors under six years of age only shall at all times be under the supervision and control of a parent, guardian or responsible custodian.
  • (f) Disorderly conduct. No person shall do any of the following:
    (1) disobey a lawful order of any officer or employee of the office or the directions of any sign erected by or at the direction of the office;
    (7) spit upon grounds or other surfaces;

Reading the list of rules makes me think that a lot of things have gone wrong in the 131 year history of the New York State Parks that ended up being dealt with by lawyers.

On the other hand, we've had pretty good luck with the conditions of NYS campgrounds, so maybe the extensive list of rules is working!
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Great topic, SteveSueMac!

Although we might stop for one night stays on our ways to destinations, most of our time in the Airstream is spent for stays of between two weeks and 3 months in campgrounds that have become favorites.

In our opinion, rules unfortunately are extremely important. Both to deal with the lack of awareness/respect that many younger Americans extend to each other (as others have mentioned), but also to set expectations and raise awareness or head off potential dangers of which a new visitor might not be aware.

As to leash rules, boy is that a hot topic! We are dog people. Our last dog was a quiet, handsome package of love. He was a rescue dog, and was afraid of all male humans except my son and I for about a year after we met him and slowly introduced him to more people, but expressed his fear by staying away, rather than attacking. During his entire 17 year life, he never bit a human being--ever.

That being said, we always kept him on a leash in campgrounds--except in designated dog run areas (both of our primary long stay parks have these.) This was not so much (in this case) of "you never know" as it was because of the possible perception of other people who might have had actual negative experiences with dogs, or don't like them, or just a fear of dogs or animals in general. It's just not courteous.

At one of the two parks, we recently had a terrible experience with a large dog (standard poodle) who WAS on a leash. The problem was that his owner really did not have control of the animal--even on the leash. The owner and his wife are extremely nice people who have been acquaintances of ours at this park for years, and their dog has always been affectionate and playful with me when I am in their domain. While walking with my son around the park, we were approached by the dog owner and his dog on leash. He stopped to say hi and to meet my son. They shook hands, and as my son's hand returned towards his body, the dog lunged forward and crunched his male parts. Fortunately, he did not hang on. We rushed him to the ER (there were puncture wounds, but fortunately no permanent discernible damage). The sad part is that as people came up to express their sympathy over the next few days, we found that there had been four other incidents with this dog biting people at this park.

The park's manager will no longer allow the dog to be in the park without being muzzled. A leash rule was, in this case, not enough. And the dog owners are agonizing over whether they should put the dog down.

So, yes, you never really do know. And as much as both my son and I LOVE dogs, it has certainly given us a different attitude and made us much more cautious. Always ask the owner if it's OK to approach the dog.

In the other campground, where we typically stay for most of the summer, the recent new owners (very nice people) do not project the same authoritative manner as the previous owner. Sadly, the beautiful lawn campsites have been steadily deteriorating, as people are allowing their dogs to relieve themselves on the lawn outside the trailer, instead of walking them to the block long (!) dog run area that's just a few yards from the campsites. I know that for an overnight or weekend camper, this just doesn't seem like a big deal, but it's been interesting to see the difference in enforcement policy and resultant move towards shabbiness. When combined with backing fifth wheels and big trucks over lawns for those less skilled, it's really a shame. The owner has shared with me that he's considering removing all of the lawn and replacing with gravel, and that would seriously change the experience of camping among mature trees (lots of Japanese maples) in paved, level campsites surrounded by lawn.

So, yes, campground rules are important, and sometimes not for obvious reasons if you are staying for shorter periods of time.
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(1) No person having custody or control of a minor shall permit such minor to do any act in violation of a rule or regulation of the office. Minors under 10 years of age shall at all times be under the supervision and control of a parent, guardian or responsible custodian.
(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1) of this subdivision, within the twelfth park region minors under six years of age only shall at all times be under the supervision and control of a parent, guardian or responsible custodian.
The 12th park region must have some very mature and responsible seven-to-ten-year-olds to allow only them to go without adult supervision!
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Rules are for inconsiderate and STUPID people, but unfortunately inconsiderate and stupid people don't generally follow rules. So there you are, even with laws, like do not steal or kill, some people still do. The age old adage that locks are made for honest people, still applies. So what is the answer? You must go on living and know in your heart that in this world, there are inconsiderate and stupid people. Pray for them.
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The 12th park region must have some very mature and responsible seven-to-ten-year-olds to allow only them to go without adult supervision!
The 12th Park Region is New York City. They start them out on their own at a younger age to ensure that they fulfil the promise "If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere."
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I follow the rules because I was an offender.

The leash rule is important for the safety of your pet and for others. We have been campers for 20 years, campers with a pet (specifically a dog) for a year and a half. We had way better control of our children camping over the years, than we have had of our dog. On our second trip with our puppy when she was about 9 months old, I stepped out of the trailer for a minute to get something and thought the leash was not necessary because we were going to come right back in. Well the leash was necessary, our puppy took off down the hill, across a little creek (I was shocked because she was afraid of water up until then) and onto a little patio area where a lady was holding her terrified little toy (I do not know what type). My puppy wanted to play with her dog, in the process she scratched the lady's leg. The lady happened to have very thin skin and well you can probably imagine what happened next. It took me a little time to get to my dog and get her away. I was mortified at the damage I had caused, I apologized profusely, bought a gift for the lady (and her little dog) and I have never let our dog off of the leash at a campground ever again. Our dog is much better behaved than she was last year but she only gets to run free at home (we live rurally) or at the campground's dog park. I learned my lesson the hard way and at someone else's expense.
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Campground Rules - why?

I learned at a very early age from a well-respected Boy Scout leader that the basic rule everyone needs to follow is this:

"Your rights end where someone else's begin."

Looking at this discussion, I think that is the crux of all we have noted about rules and following or not following them. It's fairly simple, and if this concept of respecting the rights of others catches on, camping may be even more fun.

Unfortunately, there are some that have no grasp of this basic concept out there....this leads to a massive proliferation of rules upon rules that still get ignored. Sad.

Fortunately or not, in some cases a disregard for the rights of others, or common sense safety rules leads to a "Darwin event" and more often that sometimes fails to wipe out other than the innocent. Apparently "common sense" is becoming less common nowadays.


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Yes. I'm wordy.... 😀

I think folks got the gist though. Very good discussion so far! Thanks, all!
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