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Old 07-21-2016, 11:18 PM   #61
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Look most people will follow the rules but you will have some that don't. They don't even read anything that's posted on a sign. How do I know this I work at an RV park and people don't read anything. You can have picture signs they still don't read them. So you just tell them over and over and hope they get it. Now most people will get it the 1st time but there's always that one that doesn't. Oh well just breath and move on.


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Old 07-22-2016, 05:50 AM   #62
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I agree with Protagonist & I have 2 big dogs. There are just so many people on today's society rules around controlling pets are just needed.

I find it interesting how passionate some are on this thread & a previous thread about leash rules at campgrounds & they start off saying everyone needs to keep their dog on a leash BUT my dog is voice controlled & sometimes they are not on leashes when they are with me, etc. These folks really don't see the rule as applying to them.
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Old 07-22-2016, 06:23 AM   #63
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Some county park campgrounds have a "no alcoholic beverages of any kind" rule. While we understand and appreciate the rule is aimed at preventing public inebriation and associated obnoxious behavior, we'd rather see them post a rule that says "No public inebriation and associated obnoxious behavior," so we don't have to drink our wine from a Tevis tumbler and say discretely to each other, "Would you like me to go inside and get you a little more of that lovely grape juice?" We've never had a problem as we assiduously avoid engaging in public inebriation and associated obnoxious behavior, but since we're talking campground rules...

We have found that "No Drinking Allowed" really means "No Drinking Aloud".

Be discreet, out of plain view, and you usually are not hassled.


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Old 07-22-2016, 06:31 AM   #64
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As far as dogs, our 12+ year old mini dachshund is blind. Since she does not see other people and pets walking by our site, she does not bark. When the unleashed dogs spot her, and come up to her, she can't escape as she is leashed, and will try to defend herself. Always, I have to yell, kick at, and heard this free roaming dog back to the owner, who always says "My dog is well trained, friendly, etc". I point out their dog was not trained, as it came onto my site and attacked my dog, and they did nothing to keep their dog on the road. Even after my dog is snarling back at their snarling dog, they do nothing to call their dog or, most often, they call their well trained dog who ignores the commands. If it happens again, I note what site they are on and complain to park management about these types.


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Old 07-22-2016, 06:41 PM   #65
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We have found that "No Drinking Allowed" really means "No Drinking Aloud".

Be discreet, out of plain view, and you usually are not hassled.


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So for total transparency - our local unit has a rally at a state park that says no alcohol is allowed - and yet, we have happy hours. No one is forced to drink alcohol, but a good many of us (myself included) do imbibe.

So my complaint about unleashed dogs can be seen as somewhat hypocritical as I'm willing to bend the rules elsewhere.

Guilty as charged.

In my defense, I can only offer that regardless of the number of adult beverages I may have consumed, I've never bit another person (or dog). Though that's no excuse...

And honestly - if dogs are unleashed but do truly stay at their own campsites with their owners all curled up in a ball and don't lumber on to other campsites and rile up the leashed dogs, I can be ok with that (as I can be ok with the camper who pops a beer or two at a campsite where alcohol is prohibited). I think it becomes a problem when the spirit of the law (not necessarily the letter of it) is violated.

What do you think?
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I think it becomes a problem when the spirit of the law (not necessarily the letter of it) is violated.

What do you think?
As far as I'm concerned, rule #1 is, "Don't make problems for your fellow campers." If you can adhere to that rule, then I don't mind if more specific rules (leashes, alcohol, etc.) are violated, because those violations aren't causing a problem for anyone.
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Rule 1. Do not instigate arseholisim.

Rule 2. Do not bend too much when others instigate their own aresholism against you and yours, (within the confines of the law, sound judgement, and reasonable decorum of course... )


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Rule 1. Do not instigate arseholisim.

Rule 2. Do not bend too much when others instigate their own aresholism against you and yours, (within the confines of the law, sound judgement, and reasonable decorum of course... )


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This resonates. 😀


I used to work at a company whose cultural expectations and rules started and ended with "Do the right thing."

That feels like anti-arseholism to me!
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:58 PM   #69
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Not much success observed in trying to change others' choices/behaviors. OTOH, lots of success by changing one's own choices. One solution we like is to always avoid the typical "cheek-by-jowl" rv parks, instead seeking CoE sites, little-known county parks, primitive Nat'l Forest sites, deserted stretches of beach, and similar. These work best for us and also for our love-to-run-run-run dogs, who, by our choice, get to channel their inner dog while not bothering other folks or their animals.
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Regarding the birthday party, there is no rule against waking up early next morning and somehow setting the car alarm off as u fumble with the keys.
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My comment wasn't meant as a criticism of you— it's just that your comment made me think of what I wanted to say. If you thought otherwise then I owe you an apology.
Just saw your note... Been doing our first REAL cleaning and sorting at home in about 15 years... So, my apology for not replying sooner... The "Sir" was honestly and positively rendered!!! 😇😜
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There is really only one rule, and it applies everywhere:

"Don't Be A [mod edit]".


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I think the Golden Rule says it much nicer: "Do unto other as you would have them do unto you."

(I doubt they even teach that anymore.)

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"Don't Be An Asshole".


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I think the Golden Rule says it much nicer: "Do unto other as you would have them do unto you."

(I doubt they even teach that anymore.)
They do. It's common to beliefs all over the world.
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It is a common belief, but is it taught?
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It is a common belief, but is it taught?

That's an important question. More "get off my lawn" stuff, but honestly, I think the whole "self esteem", everyone gets a ribbon, you're the most important person on the planet movement is not serving humanity well...
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. . . especially with the new operative mantra . . .

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I think the main reason rules are ignored is because of the proliferation of rules there are. We all have our favorite rule to ignore, whether it's the speed limit, the dog leash law, the marijuana laws (in places where there still are marijuana laws), or a great many other laws that we might ignore simply because we aren't even aware they exist. When I grew up in the '50's, there were maybe 10% of the laws and rules on the books as there are now. So I ask you, in what environment are rules more likely to be obeyed: an environment where there are few rules but rules are strictly enforced, or an environment where there are many rules, but they aren't strictly enforced, either because of lack of resources or desire to enforce them?


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People not picking up after their dogs is what bothers me as much as dogs off leash. I do not have a dog now but did for years and they were always leashed an picked up after !
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People not picking up after their dogs is what bothers me as much as dogs off leash. I do not have a dog now but did for years and they were always leashed an picked up after !
This is one reason I prefer to camp in State Parks, like Fontainebleu State Park in Louisiana. There are enough wild hogs running around at Fontainebleu that no one leaves their dog off a leash! But in place of doggie droppings, you've got to beware of deer and hog scat…
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