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Old 07-07-2016, 03:05 PM   #15
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With a motorhome and a toad:
1. There are two drive trains to maintain. One gets infrequent use.
2. You have to unhook the toad before you can back into a site, or anytime you have to back up, for that matter.
3. Both vehicles require liability insurance.
4. The combination is typically, but not always, longer than a trailer and tow vehicle. If I were going to have a motorhome, I'd probably want a class A.
5. 4WD generally not an option. I have been in campgrounds with grass spots when I had to use 4WD to get out.

With a trailer and a tow vehicle:
1. When not camping the TV can serve as day-to-day transportation
2. The TV can also tow boats, utility trailers, etc. when not towing the motorhome.
3. The TV can support those home project trips to haul lumber, sod, gravel, etc.
4. With 4WD and better maneuverability, more camping spots (as opposed to travel stops) are accessible.
5. I already had a truck. It turns out after a year I upgraded to a 3/4T diesel for towing performance, but for all except one of our trips the 4WD F-150 was just fine. The truck upgrade led to a trailer upgrade. I think we are settled now, at least I hope so.

Good luck with your search!

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Old 07-07-2016, 03:35 PM   #16
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With a motorhome and a toad:
1. There are two drive trains to maintain. One gets infrequent use.
That depends. I have a motorhome (Airstream Interstate Class B) and a toad (Honda Fit hatchback) and both get nearly equal use, jusdging by the odometer. The Interstate racks up more miles in a single day, the Honda gets used more days, but their odometer readings are nearly equal after four years of Airstreaming.

Besides, the "one drivetrain to maintain" argument only applies to one-car families and full-timers who are one-car families by default. If you're going to part-time in your Airstream and maintain a stick-and-brick house, then you'll probably maintain more than one vehicle anyway, and a motorhome that lets you use an existing family car as a toad might be a better option than selling an existing car to buy a tow vehicle and a trailer.
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2. You have to unhook the toad before you can back into a site, or anytime you have to back up, for that matter.
Only applies to a toad towed four-down. You can back a dolly-towed toad just like you can back any other trailer. As for unhooking before backing in, that's true, but not a hardship because unhitching a toad is a whole lot easier and faster than unhitching a trailer with sway bars and weight distribution hitch.
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3. Both vehicles require liability insurance.
True. But full-coverage insurance on my motorhome costs about 1% of the purchase price per year, while insurance on my Honda coasts about 5% of the purchase price per year.
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4. The combination is typically, but not always, longer than a trailer and tow vehicle.
That also depends. A typical toad adds about 15' to the length of the motorhome. A typical tow vehicle adds about 20' to the length of a travel trailer.
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5. 4WD generally not an option. I have been in campgrounds with grass spots when I had to use 4WD to get out.
I've never managed to get either my motorhome or toad stuck, even on wet grass— though not for lack of trying at Lewisburg, WV in the very recent past. The fact that you don't hitch up until after you pull out of the campsite helps because neither vehicle is pulling dead weight while getting out of the campsite— each is getting out under its own power.

I'll be the first to admit that motorhomes of any size are not for everybody. But trailers of any size are not for everybody, either. My dinky little motorhome and dinkier little toad fit my needs and I'm happy with them. But what I consider best for me is not what others might consider best for me, or for themselves. Lots of folks have told me I should have bought a trailer instead, but I just ignore them because my reasons are my own, just as their reasons are their own.
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Old 07-07-2016, 04:27 PM   #17
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Our camping set-up is rather unusual as it changes depending on the season. We have a 2015 Flying Cloud 25FB. We have been Airstreaming for over ten years now. We have logged almost 1,800 nights in our three Airstreams.

We have two tow vehicles. One is a 2005 3/4 ton Suburban. We tow with this vehicle primarily during the winter months. We also have a 2011 Silverado one ton pick-up with a pop-up truck camper in the bed. We use this to tow the Airstream in the summer months. We use the truck camper to explore the back country while leaving the Airstream at a campground for a day or two at a time.

Our observation over the years is that there are two types of campers. One is the END camper. This is the type of camper who takes his RV to the campground and stays there for a week or two at a time. He takes full advantage of the campground amenities, hangs out at the RV, has chairs outside, and enjoys a campfire.

The other type is the MEANS camper. This is the fellow who uses his RV to travel and visit places. This fellow usually does not camp at one location more than two or three day at a time. He rarely hangs out at the RV, never has a campfire, and does not own any folding chairs.

We lean toward being MEANS campers, but do drift over into the END category from time to time.

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Old 07-07-2016, 05:22 PM   #18
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Camping versus traveling...

My definitions may be different than yours. I think a similar question can be posed regarding living in your RV (similar to camping in my mind) compared to my definition of full-timing (similar to traveling in my mind)

Camping: To me camping is going somewhere, maybe are series of somewhere's and typically staying at public or private campgrounds on the weekend. In my mind camping is usually a relatively short duration situation. Campers probably do all their laundry back at home - they're not gone long enough to need to do laundry on the road. Similarly, most of the food they eat/prepare may have come from home. Sure they go to the grocery store when camping but mostly because they forgot something at home.

Traveling: Traveling to me is going from place to place to place to place (you get the idea) and doing all the things you would typically do when living at home but doing them while traveling. This includes laundry, grocery shopping on a regular basis, finding churches or places of worship (if that's your thing) while on the road and generally finding ways to occupy your time. Traveling may involve staying in one location for a period of time but knowing you will be going to another location at some point soon.

If you can find your way to traveling light I highly recommend a Class B or small Class C for traveling. Do it without a "towed/toad" and you'll experience a completely unencumbered form of travel. We traveled a few times in our Airstream B190 and absolutely loved it! Ultimately we sold the B190 but are actively looking for a twin-bed Interstate. A Class B or small Class C will allow you to travel with ease. Just fill up the fresh water tank periodically, dump the sewer tanks periodically and only plug into electric when needed. Go, go, go and do whatever you want when you want. The Class B or small C can be parked in almost any parking area - the only restriction is height. You always have your clothes with you. You always have your toilet with you. You always have your food with you.
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Old 07-07-2016, 06:16 PM   #19
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Our Air Forums name tells our story for the most part. We will do some camping on fishing trips, and have a reservation for a week at the beach to meet family.

This fall we will use the trailer to travel to Mississippi State football games. We plan to do an AS gathering in N Georgia in the fall. Then it will be on the boat or trailer for someplace warm this winter. Either Nova Scotia or the Rockies next summer. We haven't decided.

Airstream trailers are very versatile.
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Old 07-07-2016, 11:28 PM   #20
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camper vs traveler

I'm a camper: i stay at state parks,and boondock. I hunt and use my ham radios. I have all the comfort i need in my airstream. I lack nothing, hot water,oven and stove when needed,tv and all thechatting i want. Oh happy days( and nights). Kurt
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:18 AM   #21
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I'm a camper: i stay at state parks,and boondock. I hunt and use my ham radios. I have all the comfort i need in my airstream. I lack nothing, hot water,oven and stove when needed,tv and all thechatting i want. Oh happy days( and nights). Kurt

I like your outlook!
But just to teeze you a bit, you need to travel to get to the State Parks don't you?
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:39 AM   #22
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Yes we are camper trailer travelers!!!

It's a very fine line if any difference for us.

Came from tent camping family's, then scouting, married to tent camping, upgraded to pop up, almost to an Oliver (fiberglass) then to Airstream(s). Still an ocassionall tent and backpack to Havasupai.

It's all getting out there, it's all good.
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:45 PM   #23
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I am a camper. I still like and use liquid fuel Coleman stoves and lanterns. I like a fire every night. I like a hot dog on a stick stuck over the fire and a cold drink.....I have noticed the AS crowd appear to be more into wine and cheese, though....
We do all of the above, depending upon the trip.

But glamping has its moments. Our drink on the first night is usually a dry cava (Spanish, a lot cheaper than champaign) drunk in space-saving stemless Riedel crystal flutes. Hopefully we have an appy to go with it more upscale than corn chips.

But-- we hope to enjoy our happy hour in someplace really scenic without too many other people around.

Sadly RVing is too often gotten so congested. If AS-ing means being hemmed in by class A motorhomes and 5th wheels with slideouts, we don't get the point of leaving home.

We definitely prefer hauling the trailer, dropping it on-site, and then taking off in the truck for a modest adventure on a back road.
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:04 PM   #24
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We are more travelers . Have a 28W AS tow it with a F150 gasser and motorcycle in the bed of the truck.
We wonder if we would be better off with a class C MoHo
What are you ?
Why do you have your setup?
"Camping?"
'Camping' is walking in the Wilderness, with a packpack on your back, and setting up for the night ten miles away from anywhere!

Our 30' FC. is our 'home away from home' when we're traveling.
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:09 PM   #25
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We prefer the trailer and tow vehicle set up as opposed to moho towing a car. Reasoning is: if we have to tow something we'd rather tow a trailer than tow a car. We then don't have a motorhome engine to maintain, while it may sit for months at a time while we work. Since we have a trailer, we use our tow vehicle for other things when we're not towing (like get to work in snow, etc.). Not towing a car with a moho wouldn't be an option for us usually as we like to sightsee, and that's harder with just a motorhome.
It really is a matter of what you are comfortable driving, how much you use your set up, and what you want to do. No right or wrong, just preferences.

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I'm a camper. I keep my AS at an RV campground hooked up and use it every weekend. My wife and I are still working, so we enjoy our free time in it.
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Old 07-12-2016, 08:40 AM   #27
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We use it almost every weekend, but bring it home Sunday afternoon and back to the campground Friday afternoon to save campground fees. It is less expensive to tow it back and forth than to leave it. $40 or so for gas or $100 for the campsite for the week and we are sleeping at the house... The shortcut I take is to leave the truck 'n' trailer coupled together all the time.
We also travel about 4 times per year.
We have a trip to Smith Lake, AL planned for the end of the month. I don't recollect ever camping in Alabama before...
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