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Old 07-18-2006, 06:15 PM   #29
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You have a point, a good point. But when did it happen that BLM became the arbiter of children's morals and experiences? Obstensibly, you can't just wander into BM--you have to have a ticket and presumably it's so far off the map that you'd have to know what's there in order to have arrived at the gate. Parents should know what to expect and should "interact" with their children accordingly. There are things that children should not observe or participate in, for sure. But in this well-advertised environment, parents should be responsible. Period.

There is an interesting sign in the Saline Valley. 20 years ago when Death Valley National Park annexed much of the Saline, they recognized the nudity that had historically been a part of the hot springs experience. The last time I was there, there was a sign that simply warned all comers that nudity was practiced and permitted--essentially, don't bitch to the rangers. Seems to work. BM is clearly even more deserving of this kind of protection.
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:22 PM   #30
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Not to be a curmudgeon or anything but this topic was discussed ad nausium on the eplaya (and still is sometimes). Weather anybody likes it or not, kids will be coming to the playa and they are welcome as far as I am concerned. The organizers have gone a long way to make an event that meets the needs of people with families as well as those individuals without children. It does not turn the event into Disneyland. All of the activities that you want to do that children should not see you still can do – behind closed doors if you will.


Ones desire for “radical self expression”, the root goal of the event, should not hamper another's desires for the same. And if that means kids come out, then you will have to find a slightly different avenue to get your expression on.


One thing about the “adult activities” that occur on the playa, much of it has always been illegal in the state of Nevada or as a federal law anyway. Where law enforcement turned a blind eye to it before, now they do focus on it more closely. But to tell you the truth, it has nothing to do with children and everything to do with the almighty dollar. Long story but there may be a few on this list who will remember or who have heard when the “law” took over the gate in 1996 and collected money from the participants coming in the gate. It was a fiasco. The organizers have come a long way in negotiating with law enforcement and the result is what you see today. It is the safest event that one can go to in terms of crime. Per capita, there are fewer arrests for anything than at many of our local festivals (air races, balloon races, Hot August Nights).


Look - this discussion probably is not reasonable for these forums and would probably be better handled on the eplaya.
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:37 PM   #31
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behind closed doors if you will....
Might as well stay home then....

At any rate, good points made all around....


If everyone is now behind closed doors, that defeats the goal of total participation. Camps then become closed and clickish (and this is already happening, if one is honest about it). And I can't blame them, hiding it from LE and "the kids"....
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:40 PM   #32
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This will be our 4th burn in an AS, last 3 in a borrrowed '99 31' Excella, but this year in our own '72 31' Excella. Just bought it a month ago and made the fatal error of looking under the carpet. In the middle of a major do-over but we should have the floor back in by the burn week. Looking forward to taking up residence at BRC in our own stately AS playa dome. For any first timers, Buttercup has it right, the BM website has a plethora of info for you, the most important points being participation and tolerance. Also make sure your window and door seals are tight, no sense in bringing home more playa dust than necessary. Joe (Fate and 6:30)
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:55 PM   #33
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it's embarrassing, but I have resorted to duct tape to keep the dust out in other dusty places. what the heck, it's BM... maybe someone will think it is art.
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Old 07-18-2006, 09:58 PM   #34
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Tahoe,

You know better than that - there NO WAY to seal out the dust. But I will be putting together a positive pressure system for this year. It will consist of a filtration system and fans to pump clean air in the trailer. Last year, we had tons of dust and we did keep it closed up. It blew in from everywhere.



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This will be our 4th burn in an AS, last 3 in a borrrowed '99 31' Excella, but this year in our own '72 31' Excella. Just bought it a month ago and made the fatal error of looking under the carpet. In the middle of a major do-over but we should have the floor back in by the burn week. Looking forward to taking up residence at BRC in our own stately AS playa dome. For any first timers, Buttercup has it right, the BM website has a plethora of info for you, the most important points being participation and tolerance. Also make sure your window and door seals are tight, no sense in bringing home more playa dust than necessary. Joe (Fate and 6:30)
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:06 PM   #35
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Buttercup, you are a wise person, i now really want to meet you formally on playa.

and the great thing about burningman is it can handle the disagreements just fine, life out there is full of them with no worry.

you're also right that this is not the place for the talk, I will leave it at directing people to the burningman,com website and from there, like you said, a million conversations an on just about everything.

have fun , stay dusty!

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I, for one, have read this whole discussion with great interest, so please don't feel as if it isn't welcome here .... BM is basically a rally & you're discussing issues that come up in other rally venues as well.

I'm really, really curious & might really, really attend one sometime!
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I'll be there. My girlfriend June and I are both virgins, but the class of the Airstream and the edginess of the event seem to compliment each other. I'm getting excited.

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I, for one, have read this whole discussion with great interest, so please don't feel as if it isn't welcome here .... BM is basically a rally & you're discussing issues that come up in other rally venues as well.

I'm really, really curious & might really, really attend one sometime!
BM is like a rally. Yet I could make comparisons between the International and Burning Man. Burning Man flows... It works so well and the International was clunky and uncomfortable.

Someday I will write up that comparison...

But you should attend one sometime - soon.
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It's embarrassing, but I have resorted to duct tape to keep the dust out in other dusty places.
Zep, yee-ouch!! Doesn't it hurt when you pull it off? (sorry, got carried away with the Burning Man spirit)

A couple weeks ago it was interesting to see Stefrobrts also visits boingboing.net. I try to browse as often as possible. See this link for a goofy project arriving at BM next week! Is it built on an old steamroller?

Quoting boingboing: "The Neverwas Haul is a fantastic steam-powered, mobile 3 story Victorian mansion that is being constructed for Burning Man 2006 by a team of industrious lunatics. The NeverWas Haul explores the theme of the intrepid explorer, boldly adventuring into the unknown, seeking golden cities, mysterious artifacts, fame and glory. This pre-turn of the century, steam powered, mobile Victorian house is 3 stories in height, and is decorated with the relics and artifacts collected in its journey around the globe, as well as a few more specimens collected in Black Rock City. Participants are interviewed, measured and documented in arcane and amusing scientific experiments. Traditional Irish tea is served every afternoon, and visitors may tour the Haul and be impressed by our advanced steam technology and finely polished brass scientific instruments."
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So, how does one go about joining other Airstreams and parking in "Burnstream Court".
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Our neighbor went to Burningman last year & brought pix. Wow!
We won't have our Tradewind ready this year but next year the LeisureLoaf and it's 12VDC solar-powered surf-soul-jam band (us!) will be there! The new cultural paradigm, the rally for the Weird. Airstream certainly does cross cultural boundaries. Anyone take their AS to the Oregon Country Fair in Veneta? (that's our home turf) Any other Rainbow/hippie Airstreamers out there? Would love to see inspirational pictures of your rigs as we slowly renovate our TW.

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FYI, on the current Airstream marketing DVD there is a segment that deals with the Airstreamers at Burningman. The DVD, has the Airstream musical segment, some test tow videos, a long E special for Matthew McConaughey and his Airstream, and the Burning Man segment. See if your dealer will let you watch it (assuming they have it) at their place.

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