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Old 01-11-2016, 03:49 PM   #43
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And for those of us who don't believe anything is "God-given"?

Just go do whatever it is that you do.

(An innocent statement responded to provocatively, I must say.)


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Old 01-11-2016, 03:55 PM   #44
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Just go do whatever it is that you do.

(An innocent statement responded to provocatively, I must say.)
I will. And no, not intentionally provocative. Merely a question.
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Remind me of all the rights stated in the bible please.
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Old 01-11-2016, 04:12 PM   #46
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I'm thinking of buying a new TV this year, and am thinking of either Toyota, Ford, GM, or Dodge. Could you please advise me on all the pros and cons for each model? After that, I'm thinking of upgrading to new tires...LT or LS?

After we exhaust all this we should have gotten all of our minds off the bible and federal government stuff, so lets get back to AS issues. We are not going to change each other's minds or beliefs, we're just venting our various positions, and it may cause rifts that may be hard to repair. jon
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I'm thinking of buying a new TV this year, and am thinking of either Toyota, Ford, GM, or Dodge. Could you please advise me on all the pros and cons for each model? After that, I'm thinking of upgrading to new tires...LT or LS?

After we exhaust all this we should have gotten all of our minds off the bible and federal government stuff, so lets get back to AS issues. We are not going to change each other's minds or beliefs, we're just venting our various positions, and it may cause rifts that may be hard to repair. jon
Or focus on the original topic about armed anti government thugs taking over an office building where honest people are doing their best to do their jobs for the benefit of all citizens of our country. If anyone can get enough votes for their point of view they can change government policy. That is how our system works. Not armed threats.
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I think as long as people are civil here, then this topic is most certainly of value here on this forum. Without BLM and National Forest roads and land, my wife and I would be paying top dollar in RV parks, something we could not afford as fulltimers. One of the great attractions of owning a RV or Airstream is the possibility of living in the outdoors without rent or fee. Maybe most minds may not be changed but at least both sides of the argument can be read with calm and reason.

I remember an old(er) timer warned us before setting out last spring that it may be difficult to find camping locations that are free and secluded. Fortunately we found that not to be the case...yet. People can opine that the wisdom of state elected officials may be better than those federal but for right now, I find the ability to boondock is still quite plentiful in the West, and that conclusion is based on observation and practice. I am always wary of unintended consequences. Be careful what you wish for.

But I also agree that a campfire gathering puts all differences aside.
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I have never camped on BLM land, what would be a good beginners guide? sorry if this is not the right thread to ask.
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I enjoy your posts but I don't think this thread is stupid. Domestic anti-government terrorism is a very real threat to our free society. IMHO.
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I have never camped on BLM land, what would be a good beginners guide? sorry if this is not the right thread to ask.
We usually looked on the internet for a BLM office in the area we were about to visit to purchase inexpensive BLM maps. They are color coded and clearly show areas where one can camp for free. The BLM staff usually can tell you whether or not certain BLM roads have cut outs or turnarounds, or if you need to scout with just your truck first. We did the same with National Forest ranger stations.

The road cuts and turnarounds you are allowed to camp at usually have established campfire rings (a circle of rocks); you can tell where other vehicles have backed in. The BLM and National Forest offices can also tell you of any particular restrictions in effect at that time; last year during the forest fires in the western states, we were informed that campfires were not allowed - no big deal for us in a trailer. Again, the BLM and National Forest maps are pretty good value for the money and often quite accurate.
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None of us are Ranchers on this forum, so giving an opinion is null and void,
Actually, no. It is public land owned by all of us so everyone's opinion matters.

Historically the land is much better managed and available for a variety of uses under federal ownership. The ranchers are a good example. They lease grazing rights on federal land for a fraction of what it would cost if it was private land.
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Oh, one more observation as to why this topic is relevant with us AS owners and travelers. As a camp host in Snow Canyon, I've had the opportunity to meet many Europeans over the past year. The overwhelming consistent belief of the Europeans is that we Americans enjoy the great benefit of access to open space, and that right should not be taken for granted nor removed. I think President Teddy Roosevelt was very much a forward-thinking man and believed in the great worth of experiencing the outdoors. My recently acquired hero, Ed Abbey, had great disdain for the National Park Service but I think even he would settle for the gray area of federal oversight than the possible handing over of open land to private interests.

The wife and I are big fans of the Downton Abbey series. (I know, not exactly the outdoorsy fare but I don't feel comfortable watching zombie or serial killer movies at night while boondocking out in the middle of nowhere!) We marvel at the green rolling hills and absolutely breathtaking countryside. Having never been to England, I can only assume that much of that kind of land is owned privately and has been for generations. Maybe I'm mistaken and there's a lot of land to boondock in European countries. We'll stick to the West.
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Ramblings like this take away from the purpose of the AIRSTREAM forum. Yawn.
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