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Old 03-03-2006, 10:32 AM   #1
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BioDiesel Fuel

What is a good system for making BioDiesel? Appleseed or Fuelmeister, ect?

Any thoughts on safety issues with the fuelmeister? I understand since they have plastics in the tanks that they may pose a problem after a year or so.

Appleseed seems like an inexpensive system. Any thoughts?

I hope to find something safe enough to set up in my garage.

I want to run this fuel in a 2006 Powerstroke Diesel which is still new.

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Old 03-03-2006, 11:20 AM   #2
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There was a show on Discovery, Dirty Jobs, where the guy went and collected used cooking oil and then brought back to his home and made Bio-Diesel. His set up looked much more sophisticated than a garage unit. Further he was doing all sorts of chemical testing to make the correct mixtures from the different oils.
I'd love to pull up to Lily's Wok fill up the buckets and bring them home to feed Chummy- is it possible?
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Old 03-03-2006, 01:02 PM   #3
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I understand that many people are converting Veggie oil to BioFuel.

It seems like the quality of the oil like if it was overheated has a lot to do with the quality of the biofuel.

Testing is part of producing this as in Titration, but as I understand it this is only for a small test batch before making the full batch. I understand the whole process is relatively simple once the system is set up, using Lye and Methanol with the vegetable oil.

Instead of $2.99 a gallon imagine only 75 cents.

Check out these sites for more info;

http://www.brevardbiodiesel.org/EV/ev.html
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http://www.cascadebiodiesel.com
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http://www.survivalunlimited.com/biodiesel.htm

You have to run a heater of some sort inline or at the filter system. The most trouble free systems are by running a separate tank for diesel and bio or veggie. Most of the people that run veggie burners have a switch that switches from the veggie tank back to the diesel tank before the engine shuts off. That keeps fresh diesel in the system for starting purposes. A whole bullet proof system will run a good 1500 dollars unless you want to go half way and end up damaging your $400 a piece injectors.
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You do not need to run a heater to run biodiesel, but you do need it to run SVO (straight vegetable oil) or WVO, (waster vegetable oil).

Toughest part about making biodiesel is finding a place to get the waste oil, and then collecting it. You CANNOT drive into a restaurant's parking lot and just help yourself to their waste vegetable oil. The second that oil goes into the dumpster it belongs to Griffin, or whoever the dumpster belongs to.
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Old 03-03-2006, 01:49 PM   #6
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I've been interested in this for a while. Found an interesting profile on greasecar.com about a class a pusher using SVO. Sounds like this is type of two tank system Keith and Pick are talking about.

http://www.greasecar.com/profile.cfm?profileID=52

Makes me want a diesel engine. Of course I would like to talk with these owners about a year into the conversion.
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I'm worried that all these backyard processors of biodiesel will be leaving little gopher holes all over the place filled with glycerine, soap, and waste methanol. Yippee!

And then there are the inevitable fights that break out as people line up at McD's to fill up with free french fry oil.
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I've been doing a little testing on Bio here in N Tex. We have a location we can purchase a 50/50 blend of soybean or a 99% version. I've been using the 50/50 blend for long enough to know that, 1. My duramax runs quieter 2. I get one mile per gallon less mileage 3. The bio is slightly more expensive 4. The exhaust smells entirely different, almost like you're cooking something
I've gone back to diesel. Good luck in your efforts.
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I have looked at both systems and prefer the Appleseed, easy to set up and run. We are about a year out on making our own biodiesel, I plan to try the first couple of batches using purchased vegtable oil, then we will be growing something like soybean or rapeseed. If I have it calculated correctly I only need about 15 acres a year to produce what I need for a year's supply for two vehicles A couple of issues have cropped up with the bio, one is that in very cold weather it will solidify, and two you can get stuff growing in it that will plug up the filtration system.

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Why didn't you like the bio? The main reason it is more expensive is because it is not subsidized like dinodiesel, you are paying the full freight so to speak. We have pretty decent access to soy based bio around here, I kind of like the smell of it, kind of like peanuts roasting.

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I've been a big bio diesel fan for a while. According to Dodge (I have a 2004 Sprinter van) I can't run any type of bio due to the absence of Viton seals and fuel lines in my Sprinter. I had my dealer check with Dodge corporate about it and they said to do it if I want to invest in an $8000 engine overhaul in about 6 months after I start using it.....very dissapointing! And I have a great source for all the waste oil that I could use, too!!!!
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Why didn't you like the bio? The main reason it is more expensive is because it is not subsidized like dinodiesel, you are paying the full freight so to speak.
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Oil is not subsidized in any normal meaning of the word. Bio-fuels are heavily subsidized through crop subsidies, direct tax preferments at the production end, low interest loan programs, and by being given a pass on fuel taxes (at least in many states and I believe on federal highway taxes everywhere. These taxes usually total $.40 per gallon or more.).

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Aaron,
The bio works just fine. After my tests, I looked at the bottom line and found that it didn't improve my mileage or save me any money. I did like the quieter sounding motor and the smell of the roasting peanuts. One problem we have around the DFW Metroplex is availability. I found that I needed to be in the area of the supplier in order to fill up. Making a special trip to his location was even less cost effective.

Does anyone have any idea how much bio costs to produce vs regular diesel? Is it more expensive or less costly to produce?
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Oil is not subsidized in any normal meaning of the word. Bio-fuels are heavily subsidized through crop subsidies, direct tax preferments at the production end, low interest loan programs, and by being given a pass on fuel taxes (at least in many states and I believe on federal highway taxes everywhere. These taxes usually total $.40 per gallon or more.).

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Mark is correct. I wanted to make the same point on E85 before that thread got out of hand. When you figure in all the subsidies and deferments the farmers get, then these fuels cost a lot more to produce than petroleum based fuels. I still think we should be developing the industry though. It could be very valuable in the future to have this infra structure in place. We burn some bio diesel in our VW Jedda diesel. It does cost a little more and I don't see any change in mileage or power.

My Brother burned some bio in his over the road trucks and quit because of injector problems. (Smelled like french fries).
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I will have to find the website link, but the oil industry is at least as well subsidized as the agricultural industries via various tax breaks. It is also one of the highest profit industries with perhaps the exception of banking or insurance.

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