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Old 11-07-2006, 07:40 PM   #15
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As far as "bad" years, the '97-99 had some automatic transmission problems, but nothing of consequence for the engine. When they get over 300,000 miles, they may develop a head gasket coolant leak on the right bank at the rear of the engine. This can be avoided, or at least delayed a long time, by idling the engine for a couple of minutes after driving, before shutdown, keeps things from expanding and stretching the head bolts. But is anybody going to run their PSD over 300K towing?

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Old 11-07-2006, 07:41 PM   #16
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hi streamer1

there is more to the truck than just the diesel right?

and what about the cost of new vs used?

2002 the last year of the 7.3 would be a fine truck.
if the cps has been changed the truck should perform for many many miles.
of course the warranty is gone and 6 years of proper service records is important...

the bugs seem to be gone in the 6.0 liters from 05 and 06.

these trucks also have improved steering and a much tighter turning circle.

05/06 also has the built in brake controllers, and HIGHER towing capacity.

also bigger, better brakes on the 05/06s.

i've got 30k+ miles towing on the 05 without issues. one recall and one leaky glow plug.

a plus for the later models is 100k power train warranty and on 06s 100k basic warranty i think...

should be some great deals on 06s still on the lot....lots of 'em too.


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Old 11-07-2006, 08:38 PM   #17
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My experience is Excursion related, but basically the same thing. I've had two Excursions, a 2001 with the 7.3 liter and our current 2004 with the 6 liter engine, currently with close to 70,000 miles and about to add another 5,000 in the next few weeks.

While I did have an issue with the 6 liter engine (about 400 miles into it), it has worked flawlessly since. Given the choice, I'd take the 6 liter - it is every bit as powerful (I'm towing 10,000 pounds with our 34' w/SO), and it is quieter than the 7.3 liter engine.

In addition, at least in my 2004, Ford added the towing button on the shift stick that makes traveling SO much nicer and safer - particularly on grades, as it downshifts automatically and thus reduces some braking.

The one complaint I have, and I understand it was improved in later models, is the steering radius. On our 2004 Excursion (also our 2001) every parking job is a three point turn, which is interesting because the Expedition has a remarkably good steering radius. Anyway, I think this may have been improved in 2005 and later models.

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Old 11-07-2006, 09:38 PM   #18
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I'd echo BeBop and 2air comments on the preference for '05 '06 on the PSD. IMO the used value difference between the '03 to '05 is moderate compared to the gains you will receive in the '05 and up

brake controller- great feature
larger brakes- not much to say here
turning radius- huge advantage. CC u-turn with Short bed.. 2-2.25 lanes..
back up sensors- if you live in the urban jungle this is a must! It also has benefits when hitching.

I bought my '05 last July....until now, every vehicle I've ever purchased has been slightly used and still under mfg. warranty. Vehicles take a pretty good depreciation hit rolling off the lot. But trucks particularly diesel trucks hold their value. So I looked at the features that I really wanted because the price difference between a 03 and 05 is negligible when spread out over time if you buy and hold, like many diesel truck owners do. Before you buy, drive several and compare the features and buy what you really want.
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Old 11-07-2006, 10:06 PM   #19
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me too

One more vote for the 05 and 06 F250 PSD for the reasons previously stated in earlier posts. I prefer the long bed because of the additional 1 1/2 feet and the larger fuel tank (38 gallon in the long bed vs 29 gallon in the short bed). The front end suspension on these later Super Duties are huge improvements. I think 2air is right about the great deals out there on the remaining 06s.

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Old 11-07-2006, 11:11 PM   #20
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I own a 97 and a 01 f250 7.3L I believe they are the best. I prefer stick shift when towing but I Tow car trailers and agricultural equipment on a freguent basis. I think the 96 and 97 models are the most simple and best, but lack allot in ride quality and availabilty and lack of intercooler.

The 99 year model used a smaller turbo which I do not see well suited for a intercooled truck so I would avoid it.

The 01 and later were the first with the higher cc injectors and correct programing which I think works best in the 7.3 motor.

I think if I had to go with a 6.0 it would have to be a 05 or 06. Lot of problems with earlier models in towing situations.

I think any one towing should have a Exhaust Gas Temperature gauge you need to let the oil in the turbo cool to under 275 or so before turning of the motor. After running full tilt on the interstate it may take ten ten fifteeen minutes. Also owners need to add a cavitation additive to the coolant on a regular basis you can check this with ph strips. Like a previous post I think everyone should care a spare CPS Cam position sensor they are notorious for going out.

The Ford truck enthusiast website is a great resource for information if you want to know more.

Just as a side note to the overlander63. My first 7.3 powerstroke in a 96 model had 465,000 miles before we retired it and it was far from worn out. The 97 I have now has 190,000 miles and is highly modified, and the 01 is at 160,000 with no repaires other than CPS. The majority of these miles were all hooked to a trailer of some kind.

I would be best to search about a proper breakin on diesels if bought new. Most aren't considered broke it until around 25,000 miles.
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Old 11-07-2006, 11:15 PM   #21
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Hi, same with any used vehicle, the newer one you can afford because newer usually means less miles. Less miles used is more miles for you to enjoy. Although my Navigator was three years old when we bought it, it only had 16,800 miles on it and came with a six year / seventy five thousand mile warranty. Now my six years have passed, [warranty expired] but I only have 40,000 miles on it now. Navigator and Airstream ready for Bob's retirement early next year.

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Old 11-07-2006, 11:40 PM   #22
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Old 11-08-2006, 04:54 AM   #23
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We have a 2000 Airstream Excella 30' that we have towed with a 2003 Ford F250 for the last three years and it has done everything we expected it could do. There have been minimal recalls, but when there were, it was a simple in and out at the dealership. It pulls the 30 footer just great. You know it's back there, but that's about it, very smooth towing. We have both the 30' and the F250 for sale. Please see the link below! We are considering an Airstream motorhome. Thanks.
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:50 AM   #24
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Originally Posted by BeBop
2003 7.3L PSTD (automatic) / Lariat / Crew Cab / Long Bed

I have owned mine for 2 years. Purchased used w/37k miles. So far it has been flawless.

See comments regarding 6.0L in the following link:
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:30 AM   #25
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I would go with the 7.3 over any 6.0 , I have the Dodge and like the Cummins beter but at work we have 7.3 and early to brand new 6.0 and the 7.3 is a much better engine in our work scene , it is not a towing situation but the 7.3 starts better idles better feels stronger altho I dont have the numbers to back it up it just has the feeling of more available power over the entire rpm range.
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Old 11-08-2006, 07:05 AM   #26
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We have 2000 PS Crewcab and it has 170000 miles on it and is running better all the time. It has pulled alot of stock trailers and other trailers and runs well. We have a manual (6 speed) which we prefere hauling anything heavy. If you look at the newer PS the automatics have gotten alot better 05-06 models.

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Old 11-08-2006, 07:20 AM   #27
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on a similiar note, do most PSD owners tow with the overdrive off? Or just while in traffic? I have heard that turning it off spare the heat related trans issues.
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Old 11-08-2006, 08:01 AM   #28
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Not being an automatic owner but knowing a little about alot. My under standing is when towing you should have the overdrive off, even when not towing if in town it should also be off. One thing that is of help with folks that have automatics, a transmition temp guage is highly recomended. The last thing you would want to do is over heat your trans.

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