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Old 02-19-2010, 10:49 AM   #43
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We always pull away from home with a full tank of fresh water.(50 gallons) I know Our water is fresh I pump it out of the ground myself. We sanitized in the spring and I add sanitizer to each tank. We also have a two gallon fresh water bottle in the fridge and we carry 7 to10 1 gallon water jugs for us and the dogs to drink(its warm).Even though the signs say POTABLE WATER we prefer our own from our own well. NO ADDED CHEMICALS.
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Old 02-19-2010, 12:21 PM   #44
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Did you know Gene, that as soon as you open it, it starts to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and forms carbonic acid?

That sounds scary to me.

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That's why you should never swim in a pool, a river, lake or ocean, or drink any water except from a hose. Beware the air!

Now, carbolic acid, that's another story.

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Old 02-19-2010, 12:51 PM   #45
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That's why you should never swim in a pool, a river, lake or ocean, or drink any water except from a hose. Beware the air!

Now, carbolic acid, that's another story.

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Personally, I'm concerned about the air reacting with the water in my body. This is why I always wear a burka.

This is me getting ready to empty the holding tanks. Notice I just had my nails done to prevent them from absorbing CO2




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You really don't know where bottled water is really from and it is less regulated than muni tap water. You know the source of water for your fresh water tank and how old it is -- you put it in there. Keep your fresh tank full and clean.

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Jim speaks truth!
Lots of bottled water IS plain old tap water.
NO one regulates it for safety or purity.

Madison Avenue has made the most abundant substance on EARTH something you are now willing to go out and buy at a premium price.

BTW, one DISADVANTAGE to using a filter pitcher is that it removes any chlorine (and fluoride - if you've got kids with cavities now you know how they're getting them!). I proved this to myself by filtering some tap water and ignoring the pitcher on the counter for a week. EEWH, pitcher grew green stuff. Filter your water to get out the taste of chlorine if you wish, just use it immediately.

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Someone asked me, where are the other online manuals besides the 2010 -- I found them here. Hope this helps someone.

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Old 02-19-2010, 05:53 PM   #48
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BTW, one DISADVANTAGE to using a filter pitcher is that it removes any chlorine (and fluoride - if you've got kids with cavities now you know how they're getting them!). I proved this to myself by filtering some tap water and ignoring the pitcher on the counter for a week. EEWH, pitcher grew green stuff. Filter your water to get out the taste of chlorine if you wish, just use it immediately.

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Oh yeah, Paula, you are so right! I forgot all about mentioning that part. Our filter pitcher is a counter-top science project to demonstrate how the RV's fresh water tank would look in only three or four weeks if water there not refreshed with treated water.

The green film starts showing in our filter pitcher in a few weeks. Now imagine we kept the water in our fresh water tank for more than a few weeks, and then some more?

This is why we add chlorine to untreated water going into our tank and why we dump the entire tank contents every 3-4 weeks and replace with new load of treated water. The chlorination treatment isn't very strong, 2ppm of chlorine, and it dissipates with heat and time.

We're not freaky about what's swimming around in our fresh water tank. Heck, my house's reservoir was untreated water, algaed sides, had tadpoles in it too. It was mountain spring water, our property line was top of the hill, and we thought the water tasted pretty darned good.

But filter the incoming water for sediment, and filter the drinking water for contaminant. That's just a reasonable program.
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Chlorine dissipates in a few hours when exposed to air. It's fine in pipes, but the fresh water tank has air in it unless filled. It's dark too and lots of bacteria likes wet, dark places.

And when backpacking in western deserts, when you look for potable water in the water holes, if there are insects swimming around in it, you know it's probably safe. If there is nothing living in it, beware. Water holes also attract animals that predators like to eat, so camp a distance away.

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On the subject bleach.

Every year we run 300 plus feet of hose from the stage to the
hospitality tent. The boss pours a quart of bleach into the hose
and runs water through it until it doesn't smell.

The point is........remember not to forget about cleaning your hose.
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The green film starts showing in our filter pitcher in a few weeks. Now imagine we kept the water in our fresh water tank for more than a few weeks, and then some more?
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Hi Jim,
I would bet that the green stuff is the type of algae that needs light to grow. It would not do well in the fairly dark fresh water tank. People used to and probably still do drink water that has been in dark cisterns for months.
Not that I am advising leaving water in the tank that long.

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Absolutely correct about the pitcher in sunlight -- it'd be interesting to wrap it for a month, shielded from direct light and recheck it then. Nah, I already think you nailed it.

Cisterns, reservoirs, hand-dug wells are usually all mossy and slimy. And it was never a problem for my family.

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Interesting idea about treating the potable water hoses. We try to drain and dry ours between uses and often don't get it done. I think we'll start incorporating treatment for them more often. Thanks for adding this.

Someone mentioned iodine water tx a few posts back. We still do this with PolarPure when backpacking. Temperature-compensated dosing for strength and time, and sometimes at the end of the cycle we'll drop a couple of vitamin C tablets in a liter of the iodine treated water. Voila! Like magic the yellowed water clarifies and the taste clears as well. But the water bladders or nalgenes are stained for a long long time already.

This has been an interesting thread -- thanks to the original poster for starting it.

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Old 02-20-2010, 12:27 AM   #53
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BTWone DISADVANTAGE to using a filter pitcher is that it removes any chlorine 
Most municipalities have switched to chloramine instead of chlorine: we humans cannot taste or smell it, and the usual filters will not remove it. It kill aquarium fish, though.
I keep my tank 3/4 to full with my house water, part of my earthquake preparedness. (Sure hope the Land Yacht floats in the next major quake when Colorado becomes beachfront & we are suddenly in the middle of the Pacific.) The filter removes off tastes and maybe any heavy metals that sneak in: a filter on the input hose, and another carbon filter on the kitchen tap that helps the coffee/tea etc taste better.

BTW, water is also good for making ice to cool down the adult beverages so isn't entirely useless.
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My tanks are pretty good sized.

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Well from our trip I learned a lot already. Grey tanks Fill FAST!! 37 ngallons ain't squat. My wife decided to wash the dishes before we ate on them <new plates> and the grey tank was full after the showers we had. Very Quck ones at that. So in the morning drove to the dump station and hooked up with water. Even after being aware of how quick the tank got full and NO showers it still filled up quickly. Never new how much water we use, makes you think.

Also had our Fantastc fans open and a rain storm blew in and our Fans didn't close. I had to get up at 3 a.m and close them both.

Otherwise pretty painless.

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Shane -

I'm envious! We have a 30 gallon fresh water tank, a 12 gallon black tank and a 10 gallon gray tank. Two showers and maybe the breakfast dishes before we have to dump. My husband & son will sometimes use the campground showers instead. They're both around 6 feet tall, so I can understand that the curved wall of the Argosy shower can make it a challenge. I like the fact that I can use all of the conveniences of the trailer, though! That's why we bought it, after all.

We've only managed to fill up the black tank once - while dry camping with friends who have a tent camper with no bathroom. Four adults and 3 teenagers can fill that black tank in 3 days. Bet you didn't want to know that, did you?

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Shane,
Been there too -- it's always my fault, but the FF didn't close for the freaking huge downpour on the coast a couple of years ago. The fan lid had been hunting up and down, up and down, because of heavy due. Probably we (spelled "I") had put the fan lid on manual sometime after midnight, after it woke me up a second time.

Next morning we're off to the beach and hardware store and sightseeing. Big rain storm flies in, washes everything really well. Including our bedding.

Somehow the sofa stayed dry. Not so good sleeping, compared to a dry mattress, and maybe the damp mattress would have slept better too. But we had to learn our lesson, "do NOT leave the fan lid on manual again".

Fixed this issue -- put a maxxair fanmate 9000 on the bedroom FF. Won't happen again -- fan lid never hunts, no matter how much rain. And the rain stays outside no matter how hard it pours.

Couple of Airstreaming friends put two inline water pressure reducers on white hose when two teenagers travel with them -- keeps the rinse water and black water tanks working longer. Pretty sneaky, eh?

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