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Old 03-28-2016, 08:22 AM   #15
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I do not see the desirability to shoot shot gun shells in a handgun. The long chambers make the gun big and heavy. I certainly would not want to shoot a .410 in a self defense situation. And I am not going to "plink" cans with it in the woods. So why? A .410 slug is not as powerful as a .38 special.
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Old 03-28-2016, 08:28 AM   #16
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It would be advisable to check with your state of registration and see what other states recognize your CCP.
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Old 03-28-2016, 08:29 AM   #17
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The .410 shot shell is excellent for snakes, rats or other vermin. A .410 slug will make a nice hole at close range.
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Old 03-28-2016, 08:44 AM   #18
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Good thoughts. ^^^. Second the VP9. I use mine for USPSA / gun games. Very reliable. For carry, when legal, I use a Walther PPS M2 with Speer Gold Dots.

Martian - I see you are in FL; I assume you have a FL CWHL. If you don't mind, what is your other state permit?
Llando88 - I also have a Utah nonresident CCW. Unfortunately, Minnesota recently stopped accepting Utah, reportedly because Utah issues CCWs to military personnel (and veterans) under age 21. So l'm down one. Checkout this website: www.usacarry.com. Stay safe and happy travels!
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Old 03-28-2016, 08:45 AM   #19
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my wife and I have gone round looking at guns to buy. We sorta focused on a 380 pistol. I found the 9mm a bit intimidating for a non gun owner. But we have one in our home, my son has a Glock.
If I was to full time, I think a gun would be a mandatory accessory. Still thinking about one more for the home. What I don't get is folks needing to own an assault rifle. Not against them, but I don't see the need....yet anyway.
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Old 03-28-2016, 09:26 AM   #20
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. What I don't get is folks needing to own an assault rifle. Not against them, but I don't see the need....yet anyway.
I tend to agree. I was in a gun store recently and was kinda amazed at all the goofy looking rifles with all the plastic stuff on them. Dunno if they are designed to just look scary or what. No real practical purpose for all that stuff on an otherwise simple .22 rifle.
But, to each his own I guess.
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As to the short barrel with 410 #8 shot.
I have a Bond derringer 3" barrel, shooting with the above load it will pattern out to 5' at a 6' range. Ineffective as a snake load, defensively you might put an eye out but generally just make then mad. The best snake load would be CCI shot shells in hand gun chambering. I have 45lc, and 45 acp on order, it will pattern about 6" @ 6'

I bought 45 acp barrels, the 45lc/410 only had about 3/8" of rifling to stabilize the 45lc on the 3" barrel. It came with the disclaimer about possible instability.
The S&W should do way better with 45lc for its barrel is fully rifled. It's the shot pattern I would look at.
One should try to shoot one before purchase to see what it will do for your intended use.
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Alan, just as a suggestion if you are looking at a .380, the Sig Sauer P238 and the Ruger LCP. Both easy carry, really good handguns. If you think you have any interest in the 9MM, take a look at the Glock 43. In any case, you and your wife be sure to spend a considerable amount of time on a range until you feel very comfortable with what ever you buy. You do not want to have a gun that makes your feel intimidated. You want pulling it and firing it to become second nature.
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Old 03-28-2016, 10:54 AM   #23
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I have the Taurus Judge, but it's the "El Juez" model with the gold tone hammer, trigger and guard. Bought it for my collection, but haven't fired it. Not sure if I would take it on a trip. I saw a YouTube video reviewing the shot pattern at various distances. Didn't impress me an awful lot. I think it would be best at point blank range only.
I most likely will carry my Ruger .357 magnum, which I can interchange with .38 special.
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What I don't get is folks needing to own an assault rifle. Not against them, but I don't see the need....yet anyway.
Ugh, assault rifle. So much misinformation out there.

Rifles that you would call this, are basically designed to have interchangeable parts. They're customizable. That's why someone might want to own one and hunt with one.

This is the part of the media dubbed "assault rifle" that the ATF calls the actual gun.



This is called the lower stock. It's the gun part, and it's what is stamped and serialized. Everything else is an add on. You can customize everything on these guns typically.

Change out stocks, change out barrels, change out grips, stick all kinds of accessories on them, blah blah blah.

And whoever said they look scary, what are you a 12 yr old girl?

I built one and can change out between 223 and .22 with the same rifle, the stock is custom and adjusted to me.

On the other hand, 5000 of these are all the same and the most you can change is the scope.


That's why people want to own them. They're customizable.

It's not because they're crazy and think the government is coming for them. Although I suspect there are a few. I will also grant that a lot of folks buy them because they look like military hardware and never do customize their units. This is what the media always focuses on, the "military" hardware appearance of them.

And sorry for getting on my soap box and ruining your thread.
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I have a detective 38 special. I am loading with hp's & bird shot. Smaller and not the recoil of the 45/410 combo.
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We had the same revolver/ammo when we lived in East Texas (Tyler), and had property with a very large pond & creek running through it... We found it useful for snakes... cottonmouths (water moccasins). There’s always something a bit disconcerting about a snake dropping out of a tree and chasing you... Shot shell helped to make up for poor aim on the run...
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And whoever said they look scary, what are you a 12 yr old girl?
Not sure why you feel the need to say this.
I know what an assult rifle is.
And I'm on your side.
I am fully aware that what "the media" calls an assault rifle has little or no basis in fact.
And no, I'm not personally afraid of those or any other firearm.
But I AM fully aware that to many, if not most people a simple rifle with all that extraneous plastic junk on them LOOKS like an assault rifle and is far more scary to them than a good old Winchester Model 94, a Springfield 1903 or a M1 Grand which were also assult rifles in their day.
You would do well to acknowledge that fact.
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I said it because in this thread, I take that most of us are men and I don't need to tip toe or dance around my feelings with other men. I'm well aware of the emasculated population.

Here are some smilies so I don't run into Poe's Law of forum posting

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If you think .45 ammo is expensive go buy some for a .41 mag. ; (
Try buying some 10 mm expensive and hard to find
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