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Old 09-29-2016, 03:13 PM   #57
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I can't help but wonder why the mfrs even make a 3/4 ton diesel. Makes more sense just to jump to a 1 ton. Gas, I can see in 3/4.
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:29 PM   #58
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Is that with Max Tow and Max Payload? The numbers I've seen for a Platinum have been less, but may not have had the max tow/payload.

In my experience, guys who want a diesel, need a diesel. But I agree, and have been enjoying my ecoboost.
If you go to the link below and slide the payload over to 2,000 then towing to 10,000 and then look at the list to the right you'll see the Platinum listed at the bottom. Assuming it requires the Max Payload and Tow but the website is as clear as mud.

http://shop.ford.com/build/f150/#/select/
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Old 09-30-2016, 06:54 AM   #59
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x2. That would be ideal. Rumors are there is a 5.0 ecoboost in the works for super duty trucks.
Ford just released numbers on the new Raptor. 450 hp and 510 lb ft of torque from the 3.5 ecoboost.

Even in "detuned" form one would think a 5.0 ecoboost could match those figures or shift them a bit toward the torque side.

I'd take an F250 ecoboost with 420 hp and 540 lb ft of torque!
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Old 09-30-2016, 07:43 AM   #60
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Most of the F150 EB around here seem to run in the 1700-1800lb range according to load door sticker. A SuperCab would be closer to 2000lbs. Not sure if it has changed but you can't get the Max Payload package with a high bling trim like the Platnum. I think only Lariat and then you loose some Lariat bling.

Another advantage of diesel is the exhaust brake in conjunction with tow haul. My Ram 2500 Crew 4x4 Cummins payload is only 2089lbs (I came from a 2010 Tundra 2x4 DC with 1300lbs). If you want more payload purchase the gas version F250 or move up to the Ford F350 diesel.

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Old 09-30-2016, 09:25 AM   #61
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I think that sticker is probably right if it's a loaded F-250, based off of this:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...eries_v1-0.pdf

a base F-250 4x4 Diesel short bed has a payload capacity of 2,660. Add all the options and I could totally believe it goes down to 2,100. A RAM 2500 Limited has a max payload of 2,170 and max towing of 16,900.

By the number they are the the same more or less in the towing/payload department.

A F-150 Platinum 3.5L EcoBoost has a 2,060 max payload and 10,700 towing. Kind of hard to make the case for the F-250 when towing an Airstream, IMHO.
I have no idea where you get your Ford specs. A 2017 F-250 Diesel, 4x4 , Crew Cab, Short Box has a payload capacity of 3,460 lbs.
The payload loss is mostly due to the Crew Cab and 4x4 configuration. Luxury upgrades amount to no more than a 200 lbs over the stock xlt. All 2017 F-250 come with the aluminum body. The most dismal payload numbers are the RAM numbers. As I noted previously, I test drove a 2017 RAM 2500 Laramie Diesel and the payload was only 1,990 lbs with an MSRP within $ 100.00 of the F-250 Lariat.

IMHO the important difference between the F-150 and the F-250 is the increased payload capacity providing more heft overall. Our 30' International with the the 1,000 lbs tongue weight noticeably pushes our F-150 around road bends and curves as a result and controlling it becomes tiring on long extended trips. That is the main reason for us to upgrade. I don't believe that is an issue with the shorter trailers however.
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Old 09-30-2016, 11:15 AM   #62
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I have no idea where you get your Ford specs. A 2017 F-250 Diesel, 4x4 , Crew Cab, Short Box has a payload capacity of 3,460 lbs.
The payload loss is mostly due to the Crew Cab and 4x4 configuration. Luxury upgrades amount to no more than a 200 lbs over the stock xlt.
Look at page 3 of the link Mgieselman posted. 3,450 is for the 6.2L engine. The diesel is a full 600 lbs less at 2660 lbs.

And if you think the Lariat is 200 lbs different than the XLT you are kidding yourself. The leather seats might be 200 lbs. I've heard that the sunroof is 400 lbs.

2660 lbs minus 200 for seats and 400 for a roof gets you around 2000 lbs which is what is reported for F-250 diesels.

Time will tell. Let's see when you get your truck. As I said previously, don't start buying accessories. I think your dealer will be buying it back.
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I've been looking at all the manufacturers' websites for payload information, and I don't think any of them can be trusted to provide "real world" payload figures for actual real world trucks.

Someone in another thread on this topic posted that a Ford dealer in Ontario, Canada - www.hannafords.ca - publishes photos of the payload sticker for each model. If you check out those photos you'll see the real world impact of all the options adding up.

They're one of the few dealers I've seen that have had an F-150 with the "HD Payload" package in stock. I think it requires an extended cab and the longer bed, an the SLT trim level, but it does give you over 2000 lbs of payload.

Other than that, I've never seen one of their trucks in stock that tops out over about 1800 lbs or so. After a quick look tonight, I found payloads for several different F-150 models as follows:

King Ranch S-Crew 4x4 w/ 3.5 L Ecoboost: 1573 lbs
Platinum S-Crew 4x4 w/ 5.0L V8: 1614 lbs
Lariat S-Crew 4x4 w/ 3.5 L Ecoboost: 1633 lbs
SLT S-Crew 4x4 w/ 5.0 L V8: 1778 lbs

So in general, a well-equipped F-150 is going to top out at about 1600 lbs. And as the yellow sticker says, "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed X lbs," which would indicate that the driver is included. Yes, you can get more payload dropping down to lower trim levels, smaller cabs, no 4WD, etc., so those larger payloads are out there, but they just don't seem to exist in the higher-end models. All those features really add a ton of weight.

Considering that real world tongue weights for the larger Airstreams often exceed 1000 lbs or more, it seems like two people in an F-150 towing a large Airstream are going to be at max payload before any cargo at all is figured in.
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I was considering an upgrade so I got a door sticker pic from a dealer in the Okanagon in BC for a 2016 f150 lariat 4x4 off-road, pretty loaded including the dual sized moonroof. This was after extensive searching on the ford.ca website then guessing what dealer it might be, and nicely convincing them to send me the pic.

2364lbs payload.

You have to be very specific with f150s, it has to be the supercrew 6.5' bed with both HD Payload and Max Tow (available in XL/XLT/Lariat) and 3.5 ecoboost engine. You can only get the base equipment group (500a on Lariat) with HD Payload. Without the specific build, you'll be back down in the 1600lb range.
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This was after extensive searching on the ford.ca website then guessing what dealer it might be, and nicely convincing them to send me the pic.
Just a note on that. Searching the ford inventory site, I changed the postal code/zip code in the url to various regions until I found inventory for what I wanted. Then I googled the VIN and found the dealer. Ford does not make it easy to find stock, let alone what dealer the stock is at. And the dealers don't want to deal with each other.
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Old 10-01-2016, 04:45 AM   #66
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We run a 2015 F350 6.7 Diesel Crew Cab 6'6" Bed. Love it. We did tow a 30" FC cross country twice, it's a snap. Now we tow a 2017 30' Classic, a little heavier overall, tongue weight actually feels less than the FC, but she tows like a dream. More power than I actually need, great down hill engine brake.

If we every get rid of the F350, we are going to go to an F350 Dual Rear Wheel, simply because I've never owned one before.

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Look at page 3 of the link Mgieselman posted. 3,450 is for the 6.2L engine. The diesel is a full 600 lbs less at 2660 lbs.

And if you think the Lariat is 200 lbs different than the XLT you are kidding yourself. The leather seats might be 200 lbs. I've heard that the sunroof is 400 lbs.

2660 lbs minus 200 for seats and 400 for a roof gets you around 2000 lbs which is what is reported for F-250 diesels.

Time will tell. Let's see when you get your truck. As I said previously, don't start buying accessories. I think your dealer will be buying it back.
Actually that is almost an 800 lb difference for the diesel.

What matters legally is axle loading compared to the GAWR's, not GVWR. I think you will find that any modern 3/4 ton truck has a real-world payload capacity far in excess of the published payload number assuming reasonable weight distribution (to restore front axle weight) and not hanging 1000 lbs on the front via snowplows, brushers, winches, bike racks, etc.

A couple examples that I happen to have numbers for:

2017 Ford Powerstroke CC 4x4 - front GAWR 5200, rear GAWR 6350
2016 Ram CTD CC 4x4 - front GAWR 6000, rear GAWR 6500

The Ford potentially has 1500 lbs of extra payload depending on axle loading, the Ram 2500 lbs. I imagine the GMC numbers are similar. Of course if you drop a bunch of weight over or aft of the rear axle with no weight distribution, you are going to hit the rear GAWR a lot faster. I still believe the published payload numbers for most 250/2500 diesels are low, even in that scenario.

The payload ratings for 1/2 and 1 ton trucks are closer to real world capacities since their GVWR's aren't usually artificially low to create a registration/tax loophole.
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Look at page 3 of the link Mgieselman posted. 3,450 is for the 6.2L engine. The diesel is a full 600 lbs less at 2660 lbs.

And if you think the Lariat is 200 lbs different than the XLT you are kidding yourself. The leather seats might be 200 lbs. I've heard that the sunroof is 400 lbs.

2660 lbs minus 200 for seats and 400 for a roof gets you around 2000 lbs which is what is reported for F-250 diesels.

Time will tell. Let's see when you get your truck. As I said previously, don't start buying accessories. I think your dealer will be buying it back.
I believe those pictures are of a 2016 F-250 Diesel. There isn't a 2017 F-250 in any configuration that comes with a payload under 3,000 LBS.
400 LBS for sunroof ? You must be kidding. My 2012 F-150 platinum and my sons 2012 F-150 Lariat had payload numbers within 150 LBS within one another. Both had crew cabs and were 4 x 4. Crew cab, 4 x 4 and Heavy duty tow configurations are the biggest weight robbers.
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Actually that is almost an 800 lb difference for the diesel.

What matters legally is axle loading compared to the GAWR's, not GVWR. I think you will find that any modern 3/4 ton truck has a real-world payload capacity far in excess of the published payload number assuming reasonable weight distribution (to restore front axle weight) and not hanging 1000 lbs on the front via snowplows, brushers, winches, bike racks, etc.

A couple examples that I happen to have numbers for:

2017 Ford Powerstroke CC 4x4 - front GAWR 5200, rear GAWR 6350
2016 Ram CTD CC 4x4 - front GAWR 6000, rear GAWR 6500

The Ford potentially has 1500 lbs of extra payload depending on axle loading, the Ram 2500 lbs. I imagine the GMC numbers are similar. Of course if you drop a bunch of weight over or aft of the rear axle with no weight distribution, you are going to hit the rear GAWR a lot faster. I still believe the published payload numbers for most 250/2500 diesels are low, even in that scenario.

The payload ratings for 1/2 and 1 ton trucks are closer to real world capacities since their GVWR's aren't usually artificially low to create a registration/tax loophole.
So, you think the GVWR of 2500 series is intentionally kept low for taxing purposes? Just curious, is that your opinion or do you have a source? Also, I checked the 3500 series specs and the GVWR is still less than the sum of axle ratings. So, this is not just a 2500 issue, and is applicable to 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton trucks (and SUVs, sedans as well).
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F250 owners, any problems with the new diesel DEF systems?
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