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Old 09-23-2016, 05:41 PM   #29
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I've been thru this also. 250 diesel for all reasons listed above. Plus, if you have ever talked to anyone with the new aluminum 150 who has paid for body repair, you will understand the meaning of spending a lot of money , I haven't checked my USAA, but I bet coverage on the aluminum truck is extra $$$..
AAA Michigan insurance on my 2016 F-150 was $9.00 (yes, a whole nine dollars) more than the same coverage on my traded in 2014 Escape. F-150 price was a LOT higher.

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Old 09-23-2016, 10:49 PM   #30
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Payload on the new 2017 F250 diesels looks to be 2000 to 2100. With the 6.2L V8 you add another 700lbs roughly of payload. Might as well go with an F350 if chasing diesel. As for diesel emissions they are a concern with me as I'm a first time diesel owner but with a 2015 Ram Cummins. So far no issues with DEF or using Bio blends a few times. The DEF is a bit of a pain. The dealers charge an arm and a leg if you have them top up the DEF during an oil change, retail is cheaper but still expensive and truck stop bulk DEF the cheapest but probably $2 to $3 per gallon. I have to drive to the other end of town to get bulk DEF about 20 miles. While DEF doesn't break the bank its an inconvenience. Diesel pumps are often stinky and I have to use disposable gloves so I don't get diesel residue on my steering wheel after pumping. I love the power and the exhaust brake for hills. It's too bad Ford didn't come out with a new gas engine for the 2017 F250. The 6.2L seems an old technology engine but should be solid but gas mileage is terrible from what I've read. It's pulling a lot of weight solo and when adding a trailer it the mileage suffers more.

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I agree completely. I am towing a fc25 with a 2015 Lariat 150 Supercab 5.0 V8, for the last month in the Rockies of MT, WY, ID and now CO and have been satisfied with performance. My payload capacity is 2031 lbs. However, if I was towing anything heavier, I would go HD. My previous truck was a '99 f350 7.3 diesel without all the emission crap. Not comfortable but strong. What I don't understand is the wimpy payload on the diesel 250s, maybe 100 lbs higher than my 150?? Why not go 350 and have payload to match your towing torque? I agree a V8 gas turbo would be awesome without the negatives of diesels.
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Old 09-24-2016, 09:39 AM   #31
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2017 f150 vs 250 towing vehicle

I'm totally happy with my 2015 F-250 diesel. It has plenty of payload to support the tongue weight of any Airstream made, and I have no reason to carry anything in the bed heavy enough to require an F-350. I suspect that the F-350 has a rougher ride than the F-250, of course is somewhat more expensive if equally equipped, and offers nothing I would need that would offset those two negatives. When I was shopping for a truck, I had intended to test-drive the F-150 and the F-250 gasoline models. Thankfully, the salesman talked me into at least trying the F-250 diesel. The performance of the F-250 diesel on the test drive was so superior to the F-250 gas that I never looked back. The fuel economy of the F-250 diesel when towing is significantly higher than a comparable gas model. I would also have to believe that the fuel economy when not towing would have to be better than the F-350 diesel, since it doesn't weigh as much.


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Old 09-24-2016, 10:01 AM   #32
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x2. That would be ideal. Rumors are there is a 5.0 ecoboost in the works for super duty trucks.
Yes there is a 5.0 Ecoboost that is going in the Raptor this year. My Guess is that they will get the bugs out of it before offering it in the F-250.
I wanted to wait but the timing is just nor working out. We are piling to many miles on our 2012 F-150 ecoboost and we got a great trade in value for it so we ordered a 2017 F-250 Diesel.

In our neighborhood, a Chicago suburb, Diesel is selling for 1.99 and Regular 2.99. That is the way the spread use to be. I hope its going back there.
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Old 09-24-2016, 11:14 AM   #33
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Yes there is a 5.0 Ecoboost that is going in the Raptor this year.

It's still a 3.5L engine with some new direct injection ports and other small modifications.
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Old 09-24-2016, 08:19 PM   #34
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Rumor is that they're pumping up the 3.5L EB to 450 HP and 510 FtLb Torque for the 2017 Raptor. Be nice to see that in the 2017 F250 platform.
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Old 09-25-2016, 06:52 AM   #35
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If I didn't want a diesel then I would get a half ton with the maximum payload available. A three quarter with the gas is no more powerful than a half ton with the same engine. Payload may be more on the three quarter but check the specs closely. You may be able to get a half ton with close to the same payload. I'd go one ton with the diesel, or stay with the half ton gas. Just my opinion. I tow with a one ton Cummins, 3500 pound payload, and well over ten thousand pounds tow weight.
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Old 09-25-2016, 08:01 AM   #36
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I agree completely. I am towing a fc25 with a 2015 Lariat 150 Supercab 5.0 V8, for the last month in the Rockies of MT, WY, ID and now CO and have been satisfied with performance. My payload capacity is 2031 lbs. However, if I was towing anything heavier, I would go HD. My previous truck was a '99 f350 7.3 diesel without all the emission crap. Not comfortable but strong. What I don't understand is the wimpy payload on the diesel 250s, maybe 100 lbs higher than my 150?? Why not go 350 and have payload to match your towing torque? I agree a V8 gas turbo would be awesome without the negatives of diesels.
I don't know where you get your F-250 info but you are simply wrong.
I just ordered a stock F-250, Lariat Ultimate package, Crew Cab 4x4 with the 6.7 Diesel. Payload is 3,130 LBS max tow 17,600 LBS 440 HP 925 Torque.

We are trading and 2012 F-150 Ecoboost Platinum, Crew Cab 4x4.
I love this truck. It has performed admirably but, Fully loaded for our longer trips we are constantly at 1,900 lbs and no extra margin to load some more stuff. Also while we got up on every pass out west, our 30' International with a 1,000 lbs tongue weight would push the truck around a bit and after several weeks on the road it becomes tiring. The 2017 Ecoboost with similar extras would only take the payload to 2,060 lbs.
So since we are planing to spend even more time on the road in the future we decided to go whole hog and get the F-250 for a more relaxed drive. However I say this anyone pulling AS shorter than 27' would never have the need for anything more than a F-150 Ecoboost. They are awesome.
My wife was unwilling to give up our 30' so we went the bigger truck.
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Old 09-25-2016, 08:31 AM   #37
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I'm another one of those who first towed our 30' with a half ton (Tundra 5.7 with towing package), then went to a 2013 F250. The Tundra did fine, but we were too close to capacity for my comfort. Our F250 will pull anywhere using cruise control, which makes a much more restful drive for me. Plus, it has an automatic (not manual) exhaust brake, which makes driving through mountains much easier.
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There are so many opinions on this subject. I for one am not retired yet and only used my AS a couple times a year. My 2000 Dodge diesel did a fantastic job but the body was rusting away to nothing. I have a hard time spending $60K+ for a tow vehicle that uses cow piss to meet the EPA requirements, there are just way too many things that can and will go wrong down the road on these new diesel motors. Hence I went with a F150 with the Eco Boost. It gets much better fuel mileage not pulling the AS, is smaller so you don't need two city blocks to pull a U turn and it was $25K cheaper than an F 250. Maybe in 3 years when I'm fully retired and traveling I'll change my mind, but for right now the F150 fills the need and if I decide to up grade to a 27' or 30' Flying Cloud it will fill the bill.
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Old 09-26-2016, 12:39 AM   #40
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I don't know where you get your F-250 info but you are simply wrong.
I just ordered a stock F-250, Lariat Ultimate package, Crew Cab 4x4 with the 6.7 Diesel. Payload is 3,130 LBS max tow 17,600 LBS 440 HP 925 Torque.

We are trading and 2012 F-150 Ecoboost Platinum, Crew Cab 4x4.
I love this truck. It has performed admirably but, Fully loaded for our longer trips we are constantly at 1,900 lbs and no extra margin to load some more stuff. Also while we got up on every pass out west, our 30' International with a 1,000 lbs tongue weight would push the truck around a bit and after several weeks on the road it becomes tiring. The 2017 Ecoboost with similar extras would only take the payload to 2,060 lbs.
So since we are planing to spend even more time on the road in the future we decided to go whole hog and get the F-250 for a more relaxed drive. However I say this anyone pulling AS shorter than 27' would never have the need for anything more than a F-150 Ecoboost. They are awesome.
My wife was unwilling to give up our 30' so we went the bigger truck.
Frank, my comments concerning 250 payloads were based on thread posted by "THEPILL" in this forum on 9/13/16 when he showed photos of new 2017 Ultimate Lariat 250 he purchased including a photo of the yellow door pillar sticker on the vehicle showing a max rating of 2180 lbs. Check it out. Since my comment, I was able to check fords website payload chart that gives various payloads based on different GVWRs. I have found this chart is a guide only that does not differentiate between gas or diesel nor trim specifics. I found this to be true as well when I purchased my 2015 F150 as the guide and my owners manual both listed a payload some 300 lbs higher than the door pillar sticker on my truck (2031). This I think is because they use the base model trim (XL) with base model engine (lighter weight) in the charts.

My Lariat with its heavier options reduces payload as compared to a more basic trim and I would think this will also be true regarding your ordered Ultimate. Of course, I have no idea what GVWR you ordered. My point is the charts usually give higher payloads than what you will find in the actual door pillar sticker on the truck.

I am sure you will love your new truck and congrats on your purchase. After all, we are both obviously Ford guys! This is my sixth F series with the first a '73 F100 and my previous a '99 F350 7.3 Powerstroke.
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Frank, my comments concerning 250 payloads were based on thread posted by "THEPILL" in this forum on 9/13/16 when he showed photos of new 2017 Ultimate Lariat 250 he purchased including a photo of the yellow door pillar sticker on the vehicle showing a max rating of 2180 lbs. Check it out. Since my comment, I was able to check fords website payload chart that gives various payloads based on different GVWRs. I have found this chart is a guide only that does not differentiate between gas or diesel nor trim specifics. I found this to be true as well when I purchased my 2015 F150 as the guide and my owners manual both listed a payload some 300 lbs higher than the door pillar sticker on my truck (2031). This I think is because they use the base model trim (XL) with base model engine (lighter weight) in the charts.

My Lariat with its heavier options reduces payload as compared to a more basic trim and I would think this will also be true regarding your ordered Ultimate. Of course, I have no idea what GVWR you ordered. My point is the charts usually give higher payloads than what you will find in the actual door pillar sticker on the truck.

I am sure you will love your new truck and congrats on your purchase. After all, we are both obviously Ford guys! This is my sixth F series with the first a '73 F100 and my previous a '99 F350 7.3 Powerstroke.
Over the years we have owned mostly Ford Pick Ups. in our construction business we tried Ram 2500 trucks but we couldn't keep up with failing front ends. And that's no joke. Its a pain in the you know what when a crew is down. We switched back to Fords with the V10 engines and they are indestructible. We run them 250K miles on the average.
I would never consider GM especially since the bailout.

Re payload on my 2017 F-250 Diesel, I told the dealer if it is anything less than 3,000 lbs I want my deposit back and he owns the truck. I had him verify the numbers several time during the transaction.
If all I can get is 2,000 lbs on a F-250 Diesel I might as well stay with a 2017 F-150 Ecoboost and the new 10 Speed trans. That will get me 2060 lbs payload in a fully loaded Platinum.
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Very interesting. Although we like our Tundra for its bullet proof reliability after the past few trips I'm tired of its struggles to tow our 25' AS. Though it is rated for over 10,000 lbs, it shifts up and down even on the flats driving me nuts. Mountains leave me practly pushing my right foot through the floor. My 07 wasn't this way but the 12 is. The new f150 has a 10 speed automatic, even more shifting? Think we're going with the diesel f250. Haven't seen anyone post that they were sorry they pull with a diesel but there seem to be many questions about any of the half tons. Thanks for the information it is helping with our decision. PS is it possible to use the cruse control on eother the half ton or three quarter diesel Ford and under what conditions, flat and or mountains.
Our 2010 Tundra is comfortable with Toyota reliability, but on our recent Canadian trip of almost 4,000 miles, I weighed the 23FB and Tundra at a Idaho State scale, and was shocked to discovered we were 400 pounds over the GVWR. We have a SnugTop Topper, but the back was not packed full, only carrying what you would expect on a trip, e.g., Weber BBQ, small folding table, 18 gal blue boy, Honda i2000, two folding chairs, and a few tools. The trailer weight was 5300 (Gross is 6000), with about 20 gallons of water, and waste tanks empty.

I am now looking at a 3/4 ton truck, either the new F-250, or the GMC 2500 for the payload capacity. I am leaning towards gas, since the complexity of the diesel is concerning.

The Tundra is terrific, but the payload is too limiting. Our Tundra has less than 50,000 miles and is the most comfortable vehicle we have owned. I do not relish the thought of selling it, but we just cannot be over gross, even though it has LRE tires and Sumo suspension supports.
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