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09-22-2016, 09:01 PM
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1987 Avion 34W owner
Vintage Kin Owner
Good Ol'
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Growing up, my dad told me, "If you want to tow anything more than a small utility trailer, get an F250."
That is one piece of his advice I followed and am glad I did.
I sure wish I had followed his advice on some other things!
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1995 Ford F250 7.3L PowerStroke
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09-22-2016, 09:07 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2003 25' Safari
Grayling
, Michigan
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Very interesting. Although we like our Tundra for its bullet proof reliability after the past few trips I'm tired of its struggles to tow our 25' AS. Though it is rated for over 10,000 lbs, it shifts up and down even on the flats driving me nuts. Mountains leave me practly pushing my right foot through the floor. My 07 wasn't this way but the 12 is. The new f150 has a 10 speed automatic, even more shifting? Think we're going with the diesel f250. Haven't seen anyone post that they were sorry they pull with a diesel but there seem to be many questions about any of the half tons. Thanks for the information it is helping with our decision. PS is it possible to use the cruse control on eother the half ton or three quarter diesel Ford and under what conditions, flat and or mountains.
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09-22-2016, 09:17 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2017 25' Flying Cloud
Gold Country
, California
Join Date: May 2015
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This might be ridiculous, but I think it would be awesome if Ford came out with a larger ecoboost. The 3.5 does great for what it is, but a larger turbo charged gas engine would be amazing in a 250. The diesel emissions stuff scares me, I'm sure it scares others as well. I think the ecoboost might be the best of both worlds, a lighter engine (more payload) and respectable torque. No worries about biodiesel here!
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09-22-2016, 09:45 PM
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1987 Avion 34W owner
Vintage Kin Owner
Good Ol'
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2017 f150 vs 250 towing vehicle
cando, I haven't regretted choosing a diesel, although mine is a dinosaur compared to the new ones (1995 PowerStroke). It only has 119K miles on it and I plan on keeping it forever.
The Owners Manual for my old truck says it's OK to tow with cruise on. Can't imagine using it in hilly or mountainous areas.
If I wanted to spend big money on a new one, I don't think I'd shy away from a diesel. I'm a stickler for keeping up with oil changes and other scheduled maintenance, so I would do the same with a new truck. The new ones are much more complicated due to EPA trying to kill diesels, but I would expect that a new truck will give you good service as long as you keep up with the maintenance and don't abuse it. You can find a good used one if you know what to look for, but you'd better KNOW what to look for.
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09-23-2016, 02:23 AM
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Full time Airstreamer
2014 30' FB FC Bunk
Anywhere
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCal Matt
This might be ridiculous, but I think it would be awesome if Ford came out with a larger ecoboost. The 3.5 does great for what it is, but a larger turbo charged gas engine would be amazing in a 250. The diesel emissions stuff scares me, I'm sure it scares others as well. I think the ecoboost might be the best of both worlds, a lighter engine (more payload) and respectable torque. No worries about biodiesel here!
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x2. That would be ideal. Rumors are there is a 5.0 ecoboost in the works for super duty trucks.
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09-23-2016, 04:49 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2014 23' Flying Cloud
Rhinebeck
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Join Date: Nov 2014
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If you like stress and pushing boundaries get the 150 with the 3.5L ecoboost engine. If you prefer calm, serene towing experiences get the 250 with the 6.7L TD engine. We did and would do again. No doubts.
I've spoken to many folk that praise the smaller truck and recall their positive comments. I remain suspicious but accept their testimony. However, my personal experience, based on my desire for "calm/serene towing," 25'+ trailers are best towed by 3/4 vs 1/2 ton trucks. Best of luck in any decision made.
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09-23-2016, 05:07 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2015 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Waxahachie
, Texas
Join Date: May 2014
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Though I haven't pulled my 2015 28FC with it yet, I just picked up my 2017 F250 Platinum 6.7 diesel last week and I love the way it drives so far. Have about 1,000 miles on it so far and very pleased. For the last two years pulled the 28 with a 2015 F150 Platinum 3.5 EcoBoost. As many have said, it pulls it fine. But with most of my travels (about 30,000 miles in last yr or so) being out West, I wanted more beef to handle the load and hills.
I think the F150 is a wonderful truck and have really enjoyed mine. But in reviewing all of our travels and talking with others, I made the decision to upgrade to a truck I know will handle the hills fine, with the benefit of the exhaust brake and all the while getting better mileage. I am looking forward to our next trip starting next week heading out to Balloon Fiesta.
For those that mentioned the aluminum body and insurance costs, there really wasn't much difference in going from my 2011 F150 to the 2015 F150 and the cost for going to the F250 was basically a couple of dollars more a year. The cost to repair the aluminum is a little higher but not that much more if you go to certified body shop.
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09-23-2016, 05:21 PM
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Rivet Master
2008 25' Classic
Full Time
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Payload on the new 2017 F250 diesels looks to be 2000 to 2100. With the 6.2L V8 you add another 700lbs roughly of payload. Might as well go with an F350 if chasing diesel. As for diesel emissions they are a concern with me as I'm a first time diesel owner but with a 2015 Ram Cummins. So far no issues with DEF or using Bio blends a few times. The DEF is a bit of a pain. The dealers charge an arm and a leg if you have them top up the DEF during an oil change, retail is cheaper but still expensive and truck stop bulk DEF the cheapest but probably $2 to $3 per gallon. I have to drive to the other end of town to get bulk DEF about 20 miles. While DEF doesn't break the bank its an inconvenience. Diesel pumps are often stinky and I have to use disposable gloves so I don't get diesel residue on my steering wheel after pumping. I love the power and the exhaust brake for hills. It's too bad Ford didn't come out with a new gas engine for the 2017 F250. The 6.2L seems an old technology engine but should be solid but gas mileage is terrible from what I've read. It's pulling a lot of weight solo and when adding a trailer it the mileage suffers more.
Kelvin
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09-23-2016, 05:41 PM
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Rivet Master
South East
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Howard L.
I've been thru this also. 250 diesel for all reasons listed above. Plus, if you have ever talked to anyone with the new aluminum 150 who has paid for body repair, you will understand the meaning of spending a lot of money , I haven't checked my USAA, but I bet coverage on the aluminum truck is extra $$$..
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AAA Michigan insurance on my 2016 F-150 was $9.00 (yes, a whole nine dollars) more than the same coverage on my traded in 2014 Escape. F-150 price was a LOT higher.
YMMV
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09-23-2016, 10:49 PM
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Cloudland2
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Trenton
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Join Date: Jan 2016
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Why not 350?
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Originally Posted by KJRitchie
Payload on the new 2017 F250 diesels looks to be 2000 to 2100. With the 6.2L V8 you add another 700lbs roughly of payload. Might as well go with an F350 if chasing diesel. As for diesel emissions they are a concern with me as I'm a first time diesel owner but with a 2015 Ram Cummins. So far no issues with DEF or using Bio blends a few times. The DEF is a bit of a pain. The dealers charge an arm and a leg if you have them top up the DEF during an oil change, retail is cheaper but still expensive and truck stop bulk DEF the cheapest but probably $2 to $3 per gallon. I have to drive to the other end of town to get bulk DEF about 20 miles. While DEF doesn't break the bank its an inconvenience. Diesel pumps are often stinky and I have to use disposable gloves so I don't get diesel residue on my steering wheel after pumping. I love the power and the exhaust brake for hills. It's too bad Ford didn't come out with a new gas engine for the 2017 F250. The 6.2L seems an old technology engine but should be solid but gas mileage is terrible from what I've read. It's pulling a lot of weight solo and when adding a trailer it the mileage suffers more.
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I agree completely. I am towing a fc25 with a 2015 Lariat 150 Supercab 5.0 V8, for the last month in the Rockies of MT, WY, ID and now CO and have been satisfied with performance. My payload capacity is 2031 lbs. However, if I was towing anything heavier, I would go HD. My previous truck was a '99 f350 7.3 diesel without all the emission crap. Not comfortable but strong. What I don't understand is the wimpy payload on the diesel 250s, maybe 100 lbs higher than my 150?? Why not go 350 and have payload to match your towing torque? I agree a V8 gas turbo would be awesome without the negatives of diesels.
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09-24-2016, 09:39 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 23' Flying Cloud
Fair Oaks
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2017 f150 vs 250 towing vehicle
I'm totally happy with my 2015 F-250 diesel. It has plenty of payload to support the tongue weight of any Airstream made, and I have no reason to carry anything in the bed heavy enough to require an F-350. I suspect that the F-350 has a rougher ride than the F-250, of course is somewhat more expensive if equally equipped, and offers nothing I would need that would offset those two negatives. When I was shopping for a truck, I had intended to test-drive the F-150 and the F-250 gasoline models. Thankfully, the salesman talked me into at least trying the F-250 diesel. The performance of the F-250 diesel on the test drive was so superior to the F-250 gas that I never looked back. The fuel economy of the F-250 diesel when towing is significantly higher than a comparable gas model. I would also have to believe that the fuel economy when not towing would have to be better than the F-350 diesel, since it doesn't weigh as much.
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09-24-2016, 10:01 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 30' Classic
Anna Maria
, Florida
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCOTTinNJ
x2. That would be ideal. Rumors are there is a 5.0 ecoboost in the works for super duty trucks.
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Yes there is a 5.0 Ecoboost that is going in the Raptor this year. My Guess is that they will get the bugs out of it before offering it in the F-250.
I wanted to wait but the timing is just nor working out. We are piling to many miles on our 2012 F-150 ecoboost and we got a great trade in value for it so we ordered a 2017 F-250 Diesel.
In our neighborhood, a Chicago suburb, Diesel is selling for 1.99 and Regular 2.99. That is the way the spread use to be. I hope its going back there.
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09-24-2016, 11:14 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2016 28' Pendleton
Cybertron
, Illinois
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Quote:
Originally Posted by franklyfrank
Yes there is a 5.0 Ecoboost that is going in the Raptor this year.
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It's still a 3.5L engine with some new direct injection ports and other small modifications.
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09-24-2016, 08:19 PM
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New Member
2008 30' Classic
Bulverde
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2016
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Rumor is that they're pumping up the 3.5L EB to 450 HP and 510 FtLb Torque for the 2017 Raptor. Be nice to see that in the 2017 F250 platform.
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09-25-2016, 06:52 AM
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Mantua
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If I didn't want a diesel then I would get a half ton with the maximum payload available. A three quarter with the gas is no more powerful than a half ton with the same engine. Payload may be more on the three quarter but check the specs closely. You may be able to get a half ton with close to the same payload. I'd go one ton with the diesel, or stay with the half ton gas. Just my opinion. I tow with a one ton Cummins, 3500 pound payload, and well over ten thousand pounds tow weight.
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09-25-2016, 08:01 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 30' Classic
Anna Maria
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Join Date: Jul 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidrrand
I agree completely. I am towing a fc25 with a 2015 Lariat 150 Supercab 5.0 V8, for the last month in the Rockies of MT, WY, ID and now CO and have been satisfied with performance. My payload capacity is 2031 lbs. However, if I was towing anything heavier, I would go HD. My previous truck was a '99 f350 7.3 diesel without all the emission crap. Not comfortable but strong. What I don't understand is the wimpy payload on the diesel 250s, maybe 100 lbs higher than my 150?? Why not go 350 and have payload to match your towing torque? I agree a V8 gas turbo would be awesome without the negatives of diesels.
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I don't know where you get your F-250 info but you are simply wrong.
I just ordered a stock F-250, Lariat Ultimate package, Crew Cab 4x4 with the 6.7 Diesel. Payload is 3,130 LBS max tow 17,600 LBS 440 HP 925 Torque.
We are trading and 2012 F-150 Ecoboost Platinum, Crew Cab 4x4.
I love this truck. It has performed admirably but, Fully loaded for our longer trips we are constantly at 1,900 lbs and no extra margin to load some more stuff. Also while we got up on every pass out west, our 30' International with a 1,000 lbs tongue weight would push the truck around a bit and after several weeks on the road it becomes tiring. The 2017 Ecoboost with similar extras would only take the payload to 2,060 lbs.
So since we are planing to spend even more time on the road in the future we decided to go whole hog and get the F-250 for a more relaxed drive. However I say this anyone pulling AS shorter than 27' would never have the need for anything more than a F-150 Ecoboost. They are awesome.
My wife was unwilling to give up our 30' so we went the bigger truck.
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09-25-2016, 08:31 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2012 30' International
Dallas
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I'm another one of those who first towed our 30' with a half ton (Tundra 5.7 with towing package), then went to a 2013 F250. The Tundra did fine, but we were too close to capacity for my comfort. Our F250 will pull anywhere using cruise control, which makes a much more restful drive for me. Plus, it has an automatic (not manual) exhaust brake, which makes driving through mountains much easier.
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09-25-2016, 08:53 AM
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2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
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Still pulling my 30' with a Tundra-
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09-25-2016, 10:05 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2017 30' Flying Cloud
Spotsylvania
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There are so many opinions on this subject. I for one am not retired yet and only used my AS a couple times a year. My 2000 Dodge diesel did a fantastic job but the body was rusting away to nothing. I have a hard time spending $60K+ for a tow vehicle that uses cow piss to meet the EPA requirements, there are just way too many things that can and will go wrong down the road on these new diesel motors. Hence I went with a F150 with the Eco Boost. It gets much better fuel mileage not pulling the AS, is smaller so you don't need two city blocks to pull a U turn and it was $25K cheaper than an F 250. Maybe in 3 years when I'm fully retired and traveling I'll change my mind, but for right now the F150 fills the need and if I decide to up grade to a 27' or 30' Flying Cloud it will fill the bill.
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09-26-2016, 12:39 AM
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Cloudland2
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Trenton
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Join Date: Jan 2016
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Often wrong
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Originally Posted by franklyfrank
I don't know where you get your F-250 info but you are simply wrong.
I just ordered a stock F-250, Lariat Ultimate package, Crew Cab 4x4 with the 6.7 Diesel. Payload is 3,130 LBS max tow 17,600 LBS 440 HP 925 Torque.
We are trading and 2012 F-150 Ecoboost Platinum, Crew Cab 4x4.
I love this truck. It has performed admirably but, Fully loaded for our longer trips we are constantly at 1,900 lbs and no extra margin to load some more stuff. Also while we got up on every pass out west, our 30' International with a 1,000 lbs tongue weight would push the truck around a bit and after several weeks on the road it becomes tiring. The 2017 Ecoboost with similar extras would only take the payload to 2,060 lbs.
So since we are planing to spend even more time on the road in the future we decided to go whole hog and get the F-250 for a more relaxed drive. However I say this anyone pulling AS shorter than 27' would never have the need for anything more than a F-150 Ecoboost. They are awesome.
My wife was unwilling to give up our 30' so we went the bigger truck.
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Frank, my comments concerning 250 payloads were based on thread posted by "THEPILL" in this forum on 9/13/16 when he showed photos of new 2017 Ultimate Lariat 250 he purchased including a photo of the yellow door pillar sticker on the vehicle showing a max rating of 2180 lbs. Check it out. Since my comment, I was able to check fords website payload chart that gives various payloads based on different GVWRs. I have found this chart is a guide only that does not differentiate between gas or diesel nor trim specifics. I found this to be true as well when I purchased my 2015 F150 as the guide and my owners manual both listed a payload some 300 lbs higher than the door pillar sticker on my truck (2031). This I think is because they use the base model trim (XL) with base model engine (lighter weight) in the charts.
My Lariat with its heavier options reduces payload as compared to a more basic trim and I would think this will also be true regarding your ordered Ultimate. Of course, I have no idea what GVWR you ordered. My point is the charts usually give higher payloads than what you will find in the actual door pillar sticker on the truck.
I am sure you will love your new truck and congrats on your purchase. After all, we are both obviously Ford guys! This is my sixth F series with the first a '73 F100 and my previous a '99 F350 7.3 Powerstroke.
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