Wally's $5 Plans

[the ponz]

Originally Posted by markdoane

Sorry Ponz, contest is over. And you already got hit once.

Are you telling me to shut up? You are too polite.

Since you were first to suggest it, captions for that photo will now be running through my head for the next few months, in the same way I can't ever seem to shake old Stephen Foster tunes out of my feeble mind, ("...it rained all night the day I left...").

[rickandsandi]

Originally Posted by markdoane

Contest time!

I will give a big hit with my karma hammer, to whoever comes up with the best story for what Dad is doing in the above picture.

Dad is showing Mom how to make the perfect hamburger patty!

[flyfshr]

or

Dad is telling Mom just how many covers he had when he awoke this morning.

or

Dad is explaining to Junior just how deep he needs to set his bobber.

Brad
FF

[A-Merry-Can]

ha! ANYhoooo.... the plan are long gone, i take it... along with the plans for the original ark... would be fun to just come up with a set of plans for it, though. something very close, based off photos, and measurements. does anyone have the ad in teh PM they could post a pic of?

jp

[Shacksman]

I think Thor found the plans

[Over59]

I hate to do this but I cann't help myself. If someone built a trailer using Wally's original plans will it qualify to be in the WBCII without a vote?

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by Over59

I hate to do this but I cann't help myself. If someone built a trailer using Wally's original plans will it qualify to be in the WBCII without a vote?

no, because it isn't built in Jackson Center, by airstream employees, nor distributed and serviced by airstream dealers.

[Jim Clark]

Originally Posted by chuck

no, because it isn't built in Jackson Center, by airstream employees, nor distributed and serviced by airstream dealers.

That can't be correct. The oldest Airstream was built from plans by Dr. Holman and is in the WBCCI.

Only new trailer are ditributed by Airstream Dealers and most are serviced by the owners.

Jim

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by Jim Clark

That can't be correct.

this is the explanation given to me by the folks who are so vehemently opposed to rebadging thor MHs as "airstream editions" for wbcci membership, as to why these MH's are truly any different from the current white-box airstream mhs.

Originally Posted by Jim Clark

The oldest Airstream was built from plans by Dr. Holman and is in the WBCCI.

yes, well...he'll need to be excommunicated, then.

[Jim Clark]

Originally Posted by chuck

this is the explanation given to me by the folks who are so vehemently opposed to rebadging thor MHs as "airstream editions" for wbcci membership, as to why these MH's are truly any different from the current white-box airstream mhs.


yes, well...he'll need to be excommunicated, then.

Yes, we all will have to gather in front of the torpedo at Perry Ga. and rip off the WBCCI numbers.

Jim

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by Jim Clark

Yes, we all will have to gather in front of the torpedo at Perry Ga. and rip off the WBCCI numbers.

Jim

LOL! yes, either that, or the search for the absolute, universally accepted definition of "Airstream" continues...

[Scott S]

I would think that the plans would be needed, not just photos of the doc's trailer. He made so many changes to the trailer over the years, that I have to wonder how much of it actually is original!

I do remember speaking with doc Jr and he informed me that even if someone did use his plans to make a trailer that it would not be legally recognized as an Airstream.

Scott

[Jim Clark]

Originally Posted by Scott S

I would think that the plans would be needed, not just photos of the doc's trailer. He made so many changes to the trailer over the years, that I have to wonder how much of it actually is original!

I do remember speaking with doc Jr and he informed me that even if someone did use his plans to make a trailer that it would not be legally recognized as an Airstream.

Scott

Someone did and it is.

Jim

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by 65GT

Well maybe you're right you know -- but I think you'll need a couple of gallons of silver paint to go with your illusion, don't you?

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why? current model AS mh's aren't silver...and they are "airstreams"....

I really didn't want to relocate the debate over here...but "airstreams" have been many things. they've been trailers...and mh's. they've been roundish, and square-ish. theyve been different colors, and "no" color. they've been class a, b, AND c mh's. Some of them have even been made by someone else. Late model Airstream MH's are "really" nothing but Thor creations with the word "Airstream" painted on the outside. I don't think their proposal is a huge leap from what already exists.

[Jim Clark]

Could we keep this thread on the $5.00 plans and the MOHO issue in the MOHO thread? I read both and it will really mess me up and I will get confused more than I already am.

Thanks Jim

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by 65GT

Here's what an Airstream has never been...

Something that's not sold by Airstream, warrantied by Airstream, has never stepped foot inside an Airstream factory, and has never been declared an Airstream by anyone other than Airstream and it's current title holder Thor.

well, then, I guess we have to kick out the doc, cuz his trailer doesn't meet that standard.

[Jim Clark]

Originally Posted by 65GT

Sounds great to me -- just make sure you drag Chuck's initial comments over there to shed the appropriate light on things...

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Just make sure you don't every tell me what to do again. I ask for a courtesy and I get rude.


Jim

[Minnie's Mate]

Originally Posted by chuck

no, because it isn't built in Jackson Center, by airstream employees, nor distributed and serviced by airstream dealers.

Actually, yes. Doc Holman's Airstream is allowed into the WBCCI because there is a provision that allows the owner of any surviving trailer made with the original plans to become a member of the WBCCI. This was done rather than just saying Doc Holman, Sr. could join so as to not show prejudice or favoritism. This is how Doc Holman, Jr. remains a member after his father passed. It will also allow any future owners of this particular trailer to be a member, too.

If Doc Holman, Jr. released the plans and someone made a trailer from those plans that trailer would meet the provision and the owner would have to be allowed to join even though the trailer didn't meet the intent of the provision. The provision was granted to allow Doc Holman to join since his is the oldest known "Airstream" in existence. What kind of Airstream only club would it be if they didn't allow the original owner (speaking of the Doc Holman, Sr. and when he joined) of the only surviving first generation Airstream to join?

Any torpedo owner that wanted to join at this point would have to provide the provenance of their trailer to prove that they didn't just build it from pictures of Doc Holman's trailer, i.e. they would have to prove it dated back to the 1930's era or the plans it was built from were genuine to the era. This is to keep WBCCI wannabees from skirting the issue of buying a genuine Airstream product...wait, this is leading us to the Thor/Mandalay--Four Winds issue again; never mind!

Well, back to the issue, sort of.

[Jim Clark]

Were the plans sold with a stipulation that only one trailer could be constructed from a set of plans and any additional trailers would have to pay a licensing fee? I am not sure building from Dr. Holmann’s plans would be legal or not. I would guess the copyright has run out and they are public domain.

Copyright info: linkey
Determining the Length of Copyright Protection


Jim

[Minnie's Mate]

Originally Posted by Jim Clark

Were the plans sold with a stipulation that only one trailer could be constructed from a set of plans and any additional trailers would have to pay a licensing fee? I am not sure building from Dr. Holmann’s plans would be legal or not. I would guess the copyright has run out and they are public domain.

Copyright info: linkey
Determining the Length of Copyright Protection


Jim

I have no idea on either.