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Old 07-29-2014, 04:22 PM   #1
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Avion: Modifying a Center Twin into a Center Double

Hi All!

Saw my first Avion only 10 days ago and I'm hooked and on the hunt here in Michigan. Looking for a 28 to 31-footer. Drove over two hours to see Chuck Cayo Thursday and picked his brain for a while.

Problem: I want a center double and Chuck said those were only about 2% of production. Has anyone out there modified a center twin into a center double? I know I could more easily modify a rear twin but, other than tri-axels which are too big for me, the 30P Center Twins and the 28-31 La Grande Center Twins seem to be a lot easier to come by that 30R's.

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Old 07-29-2014, 06:49 PM   #2
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Looks like you will need to move the bathroom door about 12".
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Yup. Pity, yhose mirrors will have to go...
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:25 PM   #4
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34's are cool too

The 34's tow like a dream. I was scared to death of mine when I first got it, but it pulls better than my 31' Airstream did.

The only issue with the triple axle is they scrub a lot if you try to turn them tightly on blacktop. As long as your tires are aired up (more than 30psi...) you shouldn't have any trouble.

I've probably pulled mine 20-30,000 miles and it's been great.

Anyway, they are easy to find, have lots of room, and you can mix and match however you like.

Mine is a 34X, which is a rear bedroom. Mine was originally twins, but I converted it to a rear KING. Yes, built a little platform to bridge the two sides, and put a Simmons Beautyrest Plush Firm house mattress in it. Now I sleep like a KING The X had the walkthrough bathroom in the middle, which has the biggest tub/shower I've ever seen in any RV, including the big bus conversions. We are very happy with it.

Anyway, you have a cool idea for a neato project, and I wish you all the best with it and want to see lots of pictures. But, you might find that a 34 would do you well.

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We have a 73 with a center double. It looks like a conversion would not be difficult. You would need to offset the bathroom door. Our water heater resides under the street side cabinet where a single bed would be in your application.

Avion did a few one off things when there cabinet guys weren't busy. Ours has a factory cabinet above the bed that converts into a bunk.


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Here are a couple pics of my 1987 34X.

First one is at a rest stop in GA. Yes, they are long rascals....Avion measures the box, not bumper to ball. So a 34' Avion is actually 35' 11" long.

Second one is at the Bryn Mawr campground in St. Augistine, FL. That campground is tight! My spot was sized more for a 25' trailer, but I got her in there. It's the only tight spot I've had in 8 years of pulling it. But I got her in there OK.

The tri-axle trailers really do track well.

Avions are great. Get one and we'll rally someday

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The 34's tow like a dream. I was scared to death of mine when I first got it, but it pulls better than my 31' Airstream did.

The only issue with the triple axle is they scrub a lot if you try to turn them tightly on blacktop. As long as your tires are aired up (more than 30psi...) you shouldn't have any trouble.

I've probably pulled mine 20-30,000 miles and it's been great.

Anyway, they are easy to find, have lots of room, and you can mix and match however you like.

Mine is a 34X, which is a rear bedroom. Mine was originally twins, but I converted it to a rear KING. Yes, built a little platform to bridge the two sides, and put a Simmons Beautyrest Plush Firm house mattress in it. Now I sleep like a KING The X had the walkthrough bathroom in the middle, which has the biggest tub/shower I've ever seen in any RV, including the big bus conversions. We are very happy with it.

Anyway, you have a cool idea for a neato project, and I wish you all the best with it and want to see lots of pictures. But, you might find that a 34 would do you well.

Take care,
Just how big is that tub. I've heard it's almost as big as a home tub. Is it as deep - and what size water heater does the Avion have? Enough to actually take a tub bath?
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Oooh! Just saw pics of a 30P Twin and the streetside twin has drawers its entire length. So the guts won't have to be moved--must be closer to the exterior wall than the '73 Twin which had "guts" the entire depth of both beds. In the 30P, I'll just have to build a vanity on the streetside (betcha I could reuse those drawers) and widen the door.
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No to the whales. Won't fit at my campsite. But if I could find a 32S...
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I'm thinking about going to foam twin mattresses, building a simple plywood bridge that I can put between the 2 beds, then sliding one mattress to the other at bedtime for a big bed.
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34X's bathtub is 48" long, about 24" wide, and probably about 18" deep. It's also got a seat that goes out toward the exterior that's probably 10" wide that you can sort of sit in the little alcove and wash your feet down below if you want.

I've never taken a bath in it, but my wife and kids have.

I have a 6 gallon Atwood dual fuel water heater, so if I run gas and electric, the recovery is fast enough that you can put 8" in the tub and go for a swim in warm water

You guys enjoy your little 32's....I'll take my Whale
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There is a 1975 Avion LeGrande with a center double configuration currently listed on eBay. This is a 25 footer though, still needs a few things and is priced a bit high IMO.

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Yeah, I've been back and forth with that guy just to try to get him to check if the appliances work. He's had it up for sale for a month, posted a ton of pics, but never checked to see if water heater, fridge, ac, etc. were working. Finally did chk and fridge and furnace not working, but won't come down on already inflated price, plus awning's broke and has indications of floor rot near door (pic of base of fridge cabinet shows water damage).
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Kevin, I meant he's had it on craigslist for over a month for $7500. Still way too high as a Buy-It-Now on ebay for $6900.
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