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11-06-2007, 09:47 AM
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1 Rivet Member
Red Deer
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A new Travelux Owner
Hi all
Just joined this forum! It seems to be the only place that has info on Travelux Trailers!
We have recently become the proud owners of a 1969 20' Travelux Gypsy. (we thought we were buying an Airstream ).
It needs a little work, A new fridge and an interior paint job as well as new bedding, but other than that it seems pretty solid and in good condition.
When we got our bean can home we found a huge dent in the roof in the rear corner. We couldn't see it from the ground where we viewed the trailer as it was pushed against the garage. It wasn't until we stepped back at home that we noticed our 2nd mistake - Ooops!
Hubby has spent a couple of hours trying to remove the dent, it not completely gone but is now less noticable.
It's now parked up in a field for the winter and we probably won't see it until the snow has gone in the spring, we are really looking forward to making it our mini home and taking it out next summer.
I would welcome any advice/tips or info that anyone could give us as new trailer owners.
Oh! One question, as a kid in the UK we had a Caravan (Trailer) and the hitch had a wheel on it so it was easier to attach to a car. Do the hitches here not have wheels or do people remove them when their not in use?
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11-06-2007, 10:00 AM
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Tom, the Uber Disney Fan
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Welcome to the forums Piff Poff. The hitch you mention was a precursor to the weight distribution system used today...at least as I understand what you describe (they were before my time, but I have seen them in "The Long, Long Trailer"). You may also be describing a tongue jack with a wheel on the foot so the tongue could be moved side-to-side easily. Those haven't been used on Airstreams in years and I assume they have disappeared from most other camping trailers as well. Now days you mostly see them on lighter weight trailers such as boat trailers.
It's nice to see another Travelux owner on board. We have a couple, but they are quite rare, even here. Good luck with the renovations you need to do and happy camping next summer!
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11-06-2007, 08:41 PM
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1 Rivet Member
Red Deer
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Thanks for that Minnie's Mate. The wheel that I'm talking about would be at the bottom of the pole that you wind up and down to hitch the trailer to the truck. Sorry for the vagueness in technical terms - 'suppose that's what you get when it's a female newbie talking about technical stuff.
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11-06-2007, 09:26 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 19' Bambi
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I think Minnie's Mate is correct that what you are referring to is a tongue jack with the wheel on the foot. European trailers have, generally, longer tongues and much lower tongue weight which makes such a wheel practical. The low tongue weights allow towing with much smaller and lighter tow vehicles, but require compromises relative to sway control and weight distribution which are not considered acceptable in the US and Canada. One can easily imagine that 400 to 1000 pounds on that little wheel would make it pretty useless.
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11-07-2007, 09:07 AM
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1 Rivet Member
Red Deer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim A.
I think Minnie's Mate is correct that what you are referring to is a tongue jack with the wheel on the foot. European trailers have, generally, longer tongues and much lower tongue weight which makes such a wheel practical. The low tongue weights allow towing with much smaller and lighter tow vehicles, but require compromises relative to sway control and weight distribution which are not considered acceptable in the US and Canada. One can easily imagine that 400 to 1000 pounds on that little wheel would make it pretty useless.
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Okay, I think we are talking about the same thing, a new european trailer has a tow weight of 2835lbs for example, it will still have a wheel to help position the trailer when hooking upto the vehicle, it then gets wound up out of the way when you move off. Alternatively it can also be used to position the trailer when you get to the campground if you are in a tight spot - not that we have seen tight spots here . It doesn't really have anything to do with the vehicle you are towing with as it gets wound up out of the way.
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11-07-2007, 09:17 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1953 25' Cruiser
Canton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Piff Poff
Do the hitches here not have wheels or do people remove them when their not in use?
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From a recent thread: http://www.airforums.com/forums/462514-post23.html
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11-07-2007, 09:28 AM
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Tom, the Uber Disney Fan
2006 30' Safari
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Some of the vintage Airstreams originally had the type of wheel you are referring to, but they also could be pushed around by hand once you arrived at the camp site. Even with today's Bambi's that can no longer be done because of the expanded level of creature comforts that come in an Airstream adds too much weight. You might be able to do this with a Base Camp but I'm not sure. If this is something you want to do at home, you can get a dolly that is available as a manual or electric (either battery or corded model) that will allow you to reposition the trailer into tight spots without the use of your tow vehicle.
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11-07-2007, 10:34 AM
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1 Rivet Member
Red Deer
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http://www.millfarm.biz/images/store_one_line2.jpg
Hope this link works - but this is the type of thing I mean. I have seen them on boat trailers and toy haulers, just surprised I've not seen them on travel trailers here - and the travel trailers here are no different to UK travel trailers. Their just called caravans LOL.
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11-07-2007, 11:21 AM
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Rivet Master
2002 19' Bambi
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The weight on the tongue of a travel trailer (''caravan") is much different and much lower in Europe than in the US. Weight-distribution systems are not used in Europe and the towing vehicles are generally much smaller. US type tongue weights would push the rear of the average European towing vehicle down dangerously.
If you want to see that nose-wheel on an Airstream, just go to the Airstream Europe website ( http://europe.airstream.com/). Looking further on that site shows tongue weights of 85 kg to 150 kg (188 to 330 US pounds) for the European Airstream models. The lower weight is not just a result of fewer creature comforts, but a deliberate shifting of weight towards the rear of the trailer.
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11-07-2007, 12:13 PM
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Okay, I think I must be being incredibly dense but I can't see why weight distribution etc would affect the need of a little wheel at the front to be able to move a trailer into position by 1 or 2 centimeters to be able to pop it on the ball. It's a whole lot easier than trying to move a truck side to side by 1 or 2 cm. It's not like the wheel has anything to do with travelling anywhere as it's wound up once your hitched and ready to go. I suppose if your static you could remove the wheel and just have it on the pole. I dunno. I think we may just buy a wheel and attatch it.
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11-07-2007, 01:20 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 19' Bambi
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Attaching the wheel might work, particularly if the tongue weight of your trailer is low. Most modern US Airstreams have tongue weights high enough that you would need to be a gorilla to get the trailer to move on such a little wheel. Smooth pavement might make it easier, but on gravel, for example, it might be impossible. Notice, Airstream does not put the little wheel on its US trailers, but does have it on the European versions with less tongue weight. You might put the tongue of the Travelux on a scale to see what what the actual weight would be on the small wheel.
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11-07-2007, 01:33 PM
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4 Rivet Member
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http://www.millfarm.biz/images/store_one_line2.jpg
The RV's in this picture look alot like those made by ABI Leisure in Canada also known as Award Travel Trailers. They were designed in Europe and made in Canada near Nigaria Falls. I believe they are still made on a custom order basis. Sorry for getting off the thread.
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11-07-2007, 02:59 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 19' Bambi
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Turns out there was a problem with the link I put in for the Airstream Europe website. Sorry. Here is the picture they show. Notice the wheel can swivel which should make moving the tongue by hand easier.
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11-07-2007, 02:59 PM
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Tom, the Uber Disney Fan
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Speaking of shifting the weight further rear in the European Airstreams, isn't that sway just waiting to happen?
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11-07-2007, 03:43 PM
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1 Rivet Member
Red Deer
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Wheel interested and Tim A.
Yep that's what I mean!
Tim - did you see the price of those European Airstreams WOW talk about lots of money!!
Thanks all for your patience - I guess you can tell I'm new at this!
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11-07-2007, 05:11 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer
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Piff Poff post some pictures when you can. We love to see them. Congratulations on your new gypsy. Darn this snow and cold weather season. Hope spring comes early for you. Welcome to the forums. Perhaps Santa will leave a little something for it meanwhile.
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11-07-2007, 06:51 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 19' Bambi
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Minnie's Mate
Speaking of shifting the weight further rear in the European Airstreams, isn't that sway just waiting to happen?
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Perhaps, but trailer tongues are longer and usually have friction damping at the hitch ball. The hitch ball and bar are a single forged piece and the hitch clamps with friction pads onto the ball to provide the friction damping. Speed limits for travel trailers are low. Sway is known, but is not usually a great problem.
Incidentally, trailer brakes are almost always surge brakes without a brake controller in the car.
I have a long article (unfortunately in German) discussing all of the aspects involving sway with the European setups. Needless to say, it is also a complex problem there and has involved considerable technical analysis on the part of hitch and trailer-frame manufacturers.
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11-08-2007, 10:29 AM
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1 Rivet Member
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Oh! I've just tried uploading some photo's but they are all too big, so I have to try to make them smaller - could take awhile.............
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11-08-2007, 12:20 PM
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Tom, the Uber Disney Fan
2006 30' Safari
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Piff Poff
Oh! I've just tried uploading some photo's but they are all too big, so I have to try to make them smaller - could take awhile.............
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If you are using Windows XP, open the photos with MS Picture Manager. Select the "Edit Pictures" tool from the menu bar at the top and choose resize from the options at the right side of the screen, in the first pull down menu in the right hand section select "E-mail - Large 304 x 235 px)" and click the OK button. This will save a copy of the photo in a small file that will fit the Forums parameters and still have good resolution to be viewed when enlarged by clicking on it in your post. Repeat for each photo. (BTW, you can open all photos at once for editing in this procedure by selecting them in Explorer and right clicking one of the files and selecting the "open with" command and choosing Microsoft Picture Manager.
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