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Old 11-14-2009, 05:46 PM   #15
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I think one of the attraction of the older units is no compound curves. Good with a shear and rivet gun?... you can maintain that skin forever. But from the looks of it, you don't have to, as it appears to be pristine! What a find X 2!

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Old 11-14-2009, 06:21 PM   #16
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Beautiful! Single or double axil?
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The Overlander is a double axle trailer and I've been told it had a center bath.The Overlander project isn't going to happen any time soon. It was such a good buy that I couldn't pass it up. It has much better metal than the Flying Cloud, but absolutely no interior. I plan to gather stuff for it as I work on the Cloud.
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Old 11-14-2009, 06:27 PM   #17
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Congrats on a pair of great finds, Wally. Looks like you've got quite a bit to work with there.

I too had some bad spots on my inside endcap. Tried every grade of Nuvite and worked and worked at it and just couldn't get it. I did finally go to a series of WD paper, starting at 400 and going up. Still not perfect, but I'm happy with it now and would do it again that way.

And I agree, stripping the old Zolatone is just a bear.

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Old 11-14-2009, 06:41 PM   #18
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I think one of the attraction of the older units is no compound curves. Good with a shear and rivet gun?... you can maintain that skin forever. But from the looks of it, you don't have to, as it appears to be pristine! What a find X 2!

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On our last trip to Northern CA. to see my 96 year old Dad, My wife, Janni spotted a 13 panel trailer and that was the start of our search. She loved all the panels. I looked through the vintage photo archives and decided I wanted a whale tail. So when I found them I didn't sleep much until they were both back at the barn
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Old 11-14-2009, 06:45 PM   #19
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Wally'd be much further if he wasn't over here helping as the "bucker" for my panel replacement. I should also mention he's one heck of a good wheelbarrow operator.

Was a great find, the pictures don't do it justice. Wish my paint stripping was going that well/fast. Hoping he'll come give me lessons
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The Overlander is a double axle trailer and I've been told it had a center bath.The Overlander project isn't going to happen any time soon. It was such a good buy that I couldn't pass it up. It has much better metal than the Flying Cloud, but absolutely no interior. I plan to gather stuff for it as I work on the Cloud.
K ... watching with vulture eyes ...
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Old 11-14-2009, 07:31 PM   #21
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Lets see ... she didn't kill you for BUYING them but would kill you for SELLING them? She have an available sister?
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I so second that one!!!!
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Old 11-15-2009, 08:57 PM   #22
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After working on the interior paint removal for a couple of weeks I got back to working on the frame. I thought that scraping rust was a pain until I started applying the POR-15. The POR-15 is great stuff, but one doesn't realize how many hard to get at areas there are on a frame and how tough it is to keep the stuff from dripping onto you as you crawl around in the dirt under the trailer. I thought I had protected myself from the POR-15 until I removed my coveralls and found three black spots (dime size) on my T shirt. You guessed it, I also have three nice black spots on my chest
Question... Is there a need to put a thin layer of insulation or some other material between the frame and the plywood to cushion the two. Did the factory just use the plywood to hold the insulation in place when they were putting a trailer together?
I plan to start replacing the first 4' of floor tomorrow so let me know about the cushion between wood and metal.
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Old 11-15-2009, 09:00 PM   #23
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It was my perception that the insulation was set over the top to make installation easier not anything as far as the plywood to frame joints.

Frame looks great!
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Old 11-15-2009, 11:01 PM   #24
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Yes, mine had it over the rails.. Yes, AS did it originally... No, I don't think it's a good idea... all the rust on my frames was from the insulation holding the moisture against the frame rails under the wood... even if the wood looked ok, some of my crossmembers turned to dust due to the rust there.. in summary... don't do it!

Nice framework by the way... can we see pics of the other trailer too?
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Question... Is there a need to put a thin layer of insulation or some other material between the frame and the plywood to cushion the two. Did the factory just use the plywood to hold the insulation in place when they were putting a trailer together?
Wally, you've got a couple of very nice looking trailers. I'm with XBob2 watching with envy. As far as the cushion between the frame and the plywood, I'm not sure if it's needed, but I'm planning on using foam that is used in construction between foundations and the sill plate as a vapor barrier between the steel and the plywood. A buddy of mine who is working on my trailer restoration used this on his trailer, and it seems like a good idea. Airstream's old method of putting the insulation on over the frame seemed to have simply trapped a bunch of moisture on the top edge of the frame and caused a lot of rust. [On edit, I was writing my response when Marc posted his and I see he had the same thought about the rust.]
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:03 AM   #26
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Yes, mine had it over the rails.. Yes, AS did it originally... No, I don't think it's a good idea... all the rust on my frames was from the insulation holding the moisture against the frame rails under the wood... even if the wood looked ok, some of my crossmembers turned to dust due to the rust there.. in summary... don't do it!

Nice framework by the way... can we see pics of the other trailer too?
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Thanks for the great advise.
Here are a couple of photos of the Overlander. I sure hope you guys don't think I have the energy that Scott Goranson has. I'm almost old enough to be his father I'll be working on the Flying Cloud first and will be collecting stuff for it's big brother. My wife was O.K. with the second trailer, but the little guy must be finished before I work on the other.
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I love them both, great finds! I'm looking forward to (many years) of watching your trailer restorations!

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Old 11-16-2009, 10:12 AM   #28
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Nice warm and fuzzy boy meets trailer(s) story... Kinda brought tears to my eyes witnessing the wrath of time though, thanks for posting.

About the plywood to steel interface, I had wood rotted six feet into the trailer where water had wicked above the frame rails - but that doesn't mean not to place some thermal break in between. And being vague is intentional, I slapped plywood back onto bare metal but I was only doing the back sheet, so I don't have a product in mind to suggest....
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