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Old 05-14-2007, 07:14 PM   #15
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Had a long chat with the service manager at our dealer today and will be dropping off the trailer tomorrow for the front window leak, sink trap leak, and the addition of the rear door stays. I also spoke with Rhonda at Airstream, and after a bit of checking, it was determined that the screens that Caryl mentioned are a no-go, they stopped making tham as they discovered that they do not work. She did say that they are working on a proper screen fix. I'm writing a long email this evening to Ben Owen about the tent/critter proofing issues. I'll post more...
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Old 05-14-2007, 07:39 PM   #16
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I have to say you have taken this entire episode with a huge amount of grace. Im sure it is a disapointment having these problems with a brand new unit. Did you many pics during all the rain?
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Old 05-14-2007, 08:38 PM   #17
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Bob,

My family and friends brainstormed this weekend about how to pull up the steps from the inside. It would take two tools, one to pull up on the steps and another to pull up on the handle at the same time. I used an aluminum cane and easily reached the lower step and pulled up. So a cheap cane is one tool. (Aluminum does coordinate in a decorating sense ) Another would be a hook on a short handle. There may be a garden tool that would do it. This still needs research. One could cut the blade off a hoe leaving the curved neck, add a short handle and, voila, there would be a tool for the step latch handle.

Now the challenge is to be physically coordinated enough to use the two tools at the same time and finding a place to store those tools.

Happy to hear that you contacted Ben Owen. He has been a great resource for us. Keep us posted.

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Old 05-15-2007, 12:20 AM   #18
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My family and friends brainstormed this weekend about how to pull up the steps from the inside. It would take two tools, one to pull up on the steps and another to pull up on the handle at the same time. I used an aluminum cane and easily reached the lower step and pulled up. So a cheap cane is one tool. (Aluminum does coordinate in a decorating sense ) Another would be a hook on a short handle. There may be a garden tool that would do it. This still needs research. One could cut the blade off a hoe leaving the curved neck, add a short handle and, voila, there would be a tool for the step latch handle.

Now the challenge is to be physically coordinated enough to use the two tools at the same time and finding a place to store those tools.

Happy to hear that you contacted Ben Owen. He has been a great resource for us. Keep us posted.

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Caryl,

This is from the very long email I sent Ben this evening. Along with my long dissertation, I sent him 4 pictures to illustrate my points. Ben has been helpful in the past, and I'm sure he'll be receptive to my not-too-ranting email. From the section on the rear doors...
4) Speaking of the rear doors... If the ears of every engineer who worked on the Basecamp were ringing from last Thursday thru Sunday, it's because I was saying nasty things about them. There are five problems with the rear doors:
  1. With the tent attached, if the trailer is not perfectly level side to side (off by even 1/8" per foot), the doors will not stay open.
  2. With the tent attached, there isn't any way to prevent the doors from bashing the top of the tent (no limit to travel).
  3. It is nearly impossible for anyone who doesn't have the flexibility of an Olympic gymnast to close the steps from the inside of the trailer - the lifting straps are useless.
  4. If you DO manage to get the steps closed, don't even think of putting any weight on them as you try in vain to get hold of the doors to close them or they go crashing down, forcing you to repeat the entire maneuver.
  5. There is no way to lock the rear doors from the inside.
I understand that problems (1) and (2) have been addressed with the introduction of door to body braces (yeah!). My dealer (Colonial Airstream) will be giving me a set when I drop my Basecamp off to address a couple of leak issues tomorrow (more on those later, I ain't done with the doors).

So what's the secret? Is there an incantation I didn't hear about to get the steps closed from the inside without requiring a trip to the chiropractor? My salesman said to just grab the lifting straps and give them a yank and the steps come up and lock. Fine... in theory, but in practice, how many open/close cycles can we expect the steps to last before the fiberglass needs it's diaper changed? I suspect that the "big jerk" method is a sure-fire trip in the fast lane to failure of the fiberglass steps. Not very elegant, but I intend to install a block and tackle arrangement from the street side pole storage unit that will come up and over the rear door frame that will allow some mechanical advantage to lift the steps. I haven't worked out the details yet, but I'll be sure to pass them on when I get the project going. Also, why no lock on the inside?
As for my mechanical step raising/lowering device, I'm thinking of something sort of like the drawbridge on a medieval castle, but without the moat (unless the tent floods). If it were powered by a 12V electric motor... hmmm... Now THAT would be cool!
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Hey Bob,

I am Jerry, Caryl's husband. I am interested in your drawbridge concept. Perhaps you could also work on a catapult device to transport me to the shower house each morning. ;-)

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Old 05-15-2007, 10:37 PM   #20
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Hey Bob,

I am Jerry, Caryl's husband. I am interested in your drawbridge concept. Perhaps you could also work on a catapult device to transport me to the shower house each morning. ;-)

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Old 05-29-2007, 09:23 PM   #21
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Mr. Fowler, thanks for the insight on closing the gap between the tent and the rear qtr panels next to the steps. I'll try that this weekend as we go on our first ever camp out in the BC.

I had the BC back to the dealer a couple of times, and I believe they have the leaks fixed. Ben Owen at Airstream may have facilitated the dealer action with some helpful guideance from factory service. Heavey rains here in Houston this weekend and NO LEAKS.

Pulling up the steps from the inside is a tricky proposition, but not a show stopper for me. For some of the less agile though, it is a real challenge. Not being able to lock the doors from the inside is of slighty more concern. Will need to be alert when not in familiar territory. May need to consider more appropriate protective hardware when camping in unknown parts. Will need to check the laws here in Texas on such hardware options.

We'll load the Harley in tomorrow and hit the road Thursday for 4 days to really break the BC in.

I'll share our experience on our return. I'll try and get some pics.

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Mr. Fowler, thanks for the insight on closing the gap between the tent and the rear qtr panels next to the steps. I'll try that this weekend as we go on our first ever camp out in the BC.

I had the BC back to the dealer a couple of times, and I believe they have the leaks fixed. Ben Owen at Airstream may have facilitated the dealer action with some helpful guideance from factory service. Heavey rains here in Houston this weekend and NO LEAKS.

Pulling up the steps from the inside is a tricky proposition, but not a show stopper for me. For some of the less agile though, it is a real challenge. Not being able to lock the doors from the inside is of slighty more concern. Will need to be alert when not in familiar territory. May need to consider more appropriate protective hardware when camping in unknown parts. Will need to check the laws here in Texas on such hardware options.

We'll load the Harley in tomorrow and hit the road Thursday for 4 days to really break the BC in.

I'll share our experience on our return. I'll try and get some pics.

Martinto

Have a great time. I wish we could be going out. But since our BC was destroyed in the Chicago Airstream Dealer fire, we won't be going out for awhile. That combined with my knee replacement will keep me reading the forum. I will look forward to your pictures and post.

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Old 06-05-2007, 07:52 PM   #23
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Carla, sorry to hear about the fire and loss of your BC. I trust they will make good in short order so you folks can get back on the road again.

We had our first toy haul and camping trip this last week. 4 days at a motorcycle rally. I carried the Harley, and we traveled well. GMC Envoy with 4.2l 6 cyl carried the load with no problem. I've got a few pics but don't know how to post them here. Any ideas?

Some warranty issues surfaced

Adheasive that holds the sink broke loose. Fortunately, there are brackets that also hold the sink in place.

Skylight cover would not stay afixed to the adheasive on the glass. With the heat, the adheasive fails. I tried velcro, but that didn't hold either. I taped aluminum foil over the skylight to cut off the radiant heat transfer. It helped.

A couple of rivets holding a ceiling panel in place was not seated.

A curtin snap/rivet mount was broke.

Seals coming loose around the rear doors, adheasive problem.

Do you see a recurring theme here?

Anyway, it goes in tomorrow for warranty service.

The tent went up with no problem. We put a tarp under the tent and indoor/outdoor carpet in the tent. Highly recommend that.

The motorcycle venue was a nice first use of the BC, but we're looking forward to a shady grove site to really take in the experience.

Good luck on the recovery or replacement of your BC.

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