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Old 10-09-2016, 05:55 PM   #43
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We should receive our Basecamp tomorrow. I'll be hooking it up to my sister in laws Cadillac ATS 2.5 litre to see how what it tows like.

I would strongly recommend weight distribution with most vehicles.

I'll let you know what I find.

By the way we will have the Basecamp in the Toronto Fall RV show next weekend.

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Old 10-09-2016, 06:02 PM   #44
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Great, just wish the Caddy you use was a SRX, since that's we have!
Very interested in the weight distribution you'll be using and your findings.
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Old 10-09-2016, 10:47 PM   #45
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Ok, I'll take a look inside the owners manual. My hitch has a sticker that states 2000 lbs maximum and 5000 lbs maximum with weight distribution.

I was in another RV forum and some of RV owners were telling me that if your in an accident and the insurance company surmises or figures the accident was caused by overloading or overweight, that the insurance companies will often first take a look at the GVWR and GCWR (if available). Supposedly the GVWR can only be changed by the auto manufacture. Towing addons, upgrades, better suspension, axles, etc. won't change the GVWR.

I was told some Insurance companies are using the GVWR to make decisions about an accident and insurance policies, with potential cancellations, etc.

I'm not certain if they know exactly what they are talking about, but the GVWR is used by some RV'ers to determine the GCWR (if not available from the manufacture) and how much weight can be pulled.

To determine what how much you can pull or approx. GCWR one method used:

1. Weigh tow vehicle loaded and gassed up.
2. Weigh trailer loaded ( propane, water, gear etc.)

Then subtract (tow vehicle weight + trailer weight) from GVWR to determine where you at. To be on the safe side the Tow vehicle weight + trailer weight shouldn't exceed the GVWR.

This is a guesstimate and not your actual GCWR. (Gross Combined Weight rating)

A couple of calculators I came across.

Towing Calculator
http://www.huskytow.com/towing-calculator/

Travel Trailer Weight Calculator
http://changingears.com/rv-sec-calc-...eight-tt.shtml
The hitch rating doesn't relate to the towing capacity. The lesser rating rules. What year, and engine is your Highlander? Is it fwd or awd?
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Old 10-10-2016, 01:35 AM   #46
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After some searching I found the towing capacity from a Jeep OE specification sheet.

Max. Gross Trailer Weight Std. _______ 2000 lbs. (900kg)
Optional ________________________ 5000 lbs. (2250 Kg) - must have auto. trans.

The GVWR from the door sticker is 4900 lbs.

The towing capacity from the manufacture is a optional maximum 5000 lbs. How it's calculated I'm uncertain, probably with zero payload and a driver?

The optional tow package I believe came with hd springs, hd radiator and trans cooler.
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Old 10-10-2016, 09:21 AM   #47
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The 5000 pounds is the maximum allowable unhitched weight of the fully loaded trailer sitting on the scales. Then one uses the 10% to 15% tongue weight guidelines so it tows properly which means that the tongue weight should be between 500 and 750 pounds.

If a properly configured weight distribution hitch were used, the theory is that ⅓ of the tongue weight is on each axle of the tow vehicle and the remaining ⅓ is on the trailer axle(s). That ⅔ of the tongue weight comes out of the payload capacity of the tow vehicle and hopefully there is enough remaining capacity for driver, passenger(s) and stuff to not exceed the axle ratings of the tow vehicle.
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Old 10-10-2016, 12:23 PM   #48
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Basecamp is at Airstream Adventures NW in Covington, WA

Took Rocinante in today for winterization and roof inspection. While there, I saw that they have a Basecamp on the showroom floor with one of the tents attached. It's beautiful. Pictures below.

Also bumped into a friendly salesperson, Jocelyn, who has posted a quick video of that Basecamp on her web page. Word is that it's a popular model and selling well. Given Airstream Adventures NW is such a large dealer they have something like 100 more units on the way, though there may be a bit of a wait to get one.

Here's a link to the page where she posted her video and other info: http://covideo.com/v/3b6LzMUqWo

A couple of quick pictures, because I've not seen many with one of the tents attached. The tent has a floor, and could easily be used to sleep a couple more folks (kids?) if you wanted to.
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Old 10-11-2016, 09:39 AM   #49
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That is not how you would determine how much you can tow. Use the published tow rating, reduced by any guidance from the tow vehicle manufacturer on how much the tow rating is reduced (if at all) by any cargo in the tow vehicle.

You wouldn't estimate a GCWR, where R is rating (ie, specified by manufacturer) using the GVWR, but using actual weights you could estimate GCW. In accounting terms, it represents actual instead of budget. If a GCWR is not specified by the manufacturer, it is for all intents and purposes the total of the GVWR of the tow vehicle plus the GVWR of the trailer.

You also wouldn't do a calculation involving the GVWR and the weight of the trailer. The only trailer weight that impacts the GVW is the tongue weight, and you appear to be using the entire trailer weight. That isn't correct, unless you are carrying the trailer in the tow vehicle.

Don't expect to necessarily find a GCWR for your vehicle. It isn't used for private vehicles, it is a commercial truck term. The trucks that have one are those where the manufacturer expects that the vehicle may be used in commercial service, and need the sticker.

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I think your correct. I wasn't very impressed with others telling me I needed to figure my trailer weight, towing capacity from the GVWR.

I did find some tow capacity specifications from a Jeep OE specification sheet.

Max. Gross Trailer Weight Std. _______ 2000 lbs. (900kg)
Optional ________________________ 5000 lbs. (2250 Kg) - must have auto. trans.

Payload (Includes Occupants & Cargo) ___1150 lbs. (590 kg)
Weight Distribution, %F/R ______ 53/47


Curb Weight - depending on options: from 3015 lbs. to 3353 lbs. (I have a few of my own options, where the actual curb weight is probably around ~3300 lbs.)

Door sticker GVWR = 4900 lbs. Plus there's also some front and rear axle specifications.

Apparently my Jeep can tow up to 5000 lbs with an automatic transmission. I have a 4 speed automatic (4th is an overdrive), plus HD radiator, 14,500 BTU transmission cooler and hd shocks and springs. ( same as Jeep's tow package)

The OE hitch has a rating sticker of max. 2000 lbs or max. 5000 lbs with WDH (weight distribution hitch).

I think a WDH is necessary to maintain control of heavier loads (2000+ lbs), especially when travelling at higher speeds. It also reduces TW on the rear axle and springs, which potentially become higher than normal with heavier trailer loads.
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Sorry, thought this was a fans thread about the BaseCamp. Somehow I've stumbled into yet another tow vehicle / tongue weight / WD thread. <sigh>
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:54 AM   #51
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When you stumble you can just get back up and brush your self off and be good to go.

Yeah your probably right, threads often get off into tangents, sometimes relevant but not quite on topic.

The Bascamp is part of a concept that dates back with smaller and lighter RV's. in theory to travel into areas where larger and heavier RV's can't go or may have difficulty.

One difference is larger RV's are lived in seasonally and year around, where smaller lighter RV's are normally used for shorter stays and not usually lived in.

The Basecamp has features not normally found in smaller and lighter trailers. Has some design features found in larger RV's. Plus it has options to configure it with a connected tent and screen room.
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After looking at a couple walk through videos of the 2007 and 2017 Basecamp. I'm impressed with the design and engineering of the Basecamp. It appears much time and thought has been put into a well designed 16' trailer.

Many of the standard items and options you would be unable to find when looking at smaller trailers.

I've lived and travelled in various size RV's for more than 25 years. Some older dating back to the 50's to more modern present day.

The Basecamp is unique in that it can be turned into a toy hauler, the bed can be easily folded up and taken down. Has a good electrical system with controller and battery charger. The solar panel and controller appear to be standard and not an option as with many RV's.

The solar panel @ 100 watt is good enough for use with one battery. There is no generator, a small ~1000 watt quiet type can be easily carried and plugged into at a camp spot, if necessary. The Basecamp doesn't appear to rely much or at all on electricity. This is neccssary when camping off-grid. One problem with larger RV's is most require at least 12 volts DC to run basic items such as furnace, refrigerator, fans, pumps, etc.

The 2017 includes a toilet and shower, which is difficult to find in 16' trailers. Plus a 22 gallon fresh water tank and a black / grey water tank.

I haven't seen or heard how well it does off-road, such as up in the mountains and on rougher roads and terrain.
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Old 10-13-2016, 04:21 AM   #53
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Andrew,

Thank you for your insightful expertise here. I would be curious for your feedback on questions I have asked of other dealers, on the older Basecamp thread:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f404...ng-156584.html

. . . as I don't want to muddy up the waters of this "Fans" thread which SilverGate started.

Thanks,

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Old 10-15-2016, 12:45 PM   #54
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We had to rush the base camp into the Toronto show so I have not done any detail testing yet. I did tow it a short distance with our 2.5 Litre Cadillac ATS. I would say it has less drag than the 22sport. It is very stable.

We ran it to Toronto on the WRX. Which is a lot of overkill for it (
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We made our own plates with pins for the torsion bar chains. The Eaz-Lift 600 is a good match for it. No sway bar is needed unless the tow vehicle is unstable.


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Sounds like the plates that came with the Eaze-Lift will not fit on the tongue?
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Is it the camera angle or is the tongue sitting rather high?
Personaly I think the Andersen WD system would be a perfect match for this light weight trailer.
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