So I am really curious, has anyone received an answer about the GCVW of the 2007 Safari 23 from the Airstream factory? Is it 5600 lbs or 6000lbs?
John
I just talked to service/technical support at Airstream. The bottom line is that the GVWR for the 23' Safari is the number on the sticker in the Safari and not the number in a brochure. So for the 2007 23' Safari SE LS I saw it is 5600 lbs.
I then asked if I could upgrade the axles to raise the GVWR to 6000 lbs or more and they put in touch with sales, who are supposed to return my call.
My dealer said that it was not possible to upgrade the axles to raise the GVWR. He also said that the sticker was wrong and the GVWR is 6000 lbs, in direct contradiction to the factory rep. I believe the factory answer is more accurate.
When I find out if I can upgrade a Safari from the sales department I will post the answer here.
I had to get some things from the trailer so I looked at the GVWR rating.
The sticker in the closet does, indeed says 5600 pounds. It is just the stardard printed label However, the etched certification plate on the outside of the trailer, the plate that lists the serial number, build date, etc. lists the GVWR at 6000 pounds. For what it's worth, this trailer has Dexter axles.
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I had to get some things from the trailer so I looked at the GVWR rating.
The sticker in the closet does, indeed says 5600 pounds. It is just the stardard printed label However, the etched certification plate on the outside of the trailer, the plate that lists the serial number, build date, etc. lists the GVWR at 6000 pounds. For what it's worth, this trailer has Dexter axles.
The 2007 Safari SE LS I looked at the dealer also had a 6000 lb rating for the axles on the outside. Did the plate actually state the GVWR is 6000 lbs or did it state the axle capacity is 6000 LBS. As several other replies have noted another component besides the axles, such as the frame, may limit the GVWR.
I wonder of the decrease of the GVWR from 6000 to 5600 lbs is relasted to the switch from Henschen to Dexter axles in 2006?
Yes, the plate says "GVWR". It does not list an axle capacity.
Hmmmmm ..... an interesting contradiction. Now we have to figure out which is the correct GVWR the sticker on the inside or the plate on the outside. Unfortunately I did not pay much attention to the plate on the outside of the 23" Safari SE LS I saw at the dealer. I was in shock after seeing the GVWR on the inside sticker.
In a recent thread, 2006 Bambi Quick Silver Axle Weights, member Coloradobus seemed to be chasing similar questions. For that model he determined that there was minimal payload capacity with the single axle 16-footer. But for the subtraction of weight transferred to the tongue, the 16-footer would exceed GAWR from the get-go.
Not much help in this answer but this is another axle rating that seems all over the map. My experience is that Airstream's website is inconsistently maintained and has information at odds with other known info or else is ridiculously out of date. There's no consistency to updates -- and I'd expect they'd really give it the once over in spring before the new year production came out, but that just isn't so. I'd certainly have to trust the posted weights as shown in OrangeKid's post #5 in this thread. My 25' Safari's axle ratings are on the riveted metal VIN# plate (roadside front down around the rubrail on my 2006) -- but mine is from the odd 10 months or so in which Airstream used Dexter axles -- and they are high capacity.
as canoestream as noted this isn't the first time capacites, options, floorplans, PRICES or any other feature of new a/s has been hard to nail down...
i went through this exact and entire process and finally they upped the capacity weeks before my order...
these things are all 'liquid' and the website is only for entertainment, not facts...
flyers are a little better 'cuze their printed and someone had to proof read the specs..
what you really need is an a/s engineer or BOB WHEELER the president to answer your question...
i suspect you cannot up rate the axle alone and increase capacity...
until a/s does it offically
and really you may still have issues related to the tow vehicle...
to paraphase you'd like the actual weight of the trailer to not increase, just the carry capacity?
for your camping plans a great older argosy is a lighter easily upgraded trailer or an early 2000 model when they did weight less and could carry more...
and are you planning to add solar?
cheers
2air'
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as canoestream as noted this isn't the first time capacites, options, floorplans, PRICES or any other feature of new a/s has been hard to nail down...
i went through this exact and entire process and finally they upped the capacity weeks before my order...
these things are all 'liquid' and the website is only for entertainment, not facts...
flyers are a little better 'cuze their printed and someone had to proof read the specs..
what you really need is an a/s engineer or BOB WHEELER the president to answer your question...
i suspect you cannot up rate the axle alone and increase capacity...
until a/s does it offically
and really you may still have issues related to the tow vehicle...
to paraphase you'd like the actual weight of the trailer to not increase, just the carry capacity?
for your camping plans a great older argosy is a lighter easily upgraded trailer or an early 2000 model when they did weight less and could carry more...
and are you planning to add solar?
cheers
2air'
We have a 100 watt panel on our TrailManor and have never used the 3.5 KW Onan generator in over 300 nights of camping (it was a $3,400 option!). Here in the southwest solar has always recharged our two 6 volt deep cycle batteries fully every day.
The proposed optons list for the 23' Safara SE LS includes two 53 watt panels. We would probably also purchase a 1000 watt Honda generator for trips to places where it is very overcast or rainy.
I am still waiting for A/S to call me back as to whether the GVWR can be increased for the 23' Safari by upgrading the axles/wheels/tires.
Well I took your advice 2air’ and emailed my questions directly to customersupport…
I also asked them about the current GVWR for the 2007 23’ Safari SE.
Airstream Factory sent back (in-part) this reply:
"The current GVWR has been raised to 6000 lbs. We had a few weight stickers that need to be reissued to bring them up to date.
The LPG tanks are 23lbs. The glassmatt batteries are far superior to the lead acid battery and is on out side A fame. I will follow up with answers to the other question tomorrow. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Joyce Motsinger
Sales Clerk
Airstream Inc.
937-596-6111 Ext. 7463on the out side "
So, OrangeKid… that should make you feel a little better
Well I took your advice 2air’ and emailed my questions directly to customersupport…
I also asked them about the current GVWR for the 2007 23’ Safari SE.
Airstream Factory sent back (in-part) this reply:
"The current GVWR has been raised to 6000 lbs. We had a few weight stickers that need to be reissued to bring them up to date.
The LPG tanks are 23lbs. The glassmatt batteries are far superior to the lead acid battery and is on out side A fame. I will follow up with answers to the other question tomorrow. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Joyce Motsinger
Sales Clerk
Airstream Inc.
937-596-6111 Ext. 7463on the out side "
So, OrangeKid… that should make you feel a little better
Trust… but verify…. And re-verify !
Bill
SilverGate:
Whopee! You have made our day. That will give us a CCC of around 900 lbs and we can live with that. We will probably order ours in the next week or so. My wife and i are very excited. We were getting ready to go look at some other trailers, but we now have cancelled those plans.
As we are interested in very similar 23' Safaris would you mind sharing your email to and from Airstream with me? And the person's email address in case I want to ask additional questions. Please PM me. Thanks.
Please check my other thread on scissor jacks, as I do not want to pollute this one. Thanks.
Gald I could make your day! Thank you for sharing your order concerns which helped me with mine!
Today, Airstream Sales Clerk, Joyce, sent me (in-part) the following update of info for the 2007 23’ Safari SE LS:
"The current axels are Dexter… Also, I stand corrected that LP tanks are 30 lbs."
You’re right 2air’…
Joyce is very nice, helpful, and answered all of my questions!
Gald I could make your day! Thank you for sharing your order concerns which helped me with mine!
Today, Airstream Sales Clerk, Joyce, sent me (in-part) the following update of info for the 2007 23’ Safari SE LS:
"The current axels are Dexter… Also, I stand corrected that LP tanks are 30 lbs."
You’re right 2air’…
Joyce is very nice, helpful, and answered all of my questions!
Bill
Not only did your make our day but we ordered a 23' Safari SE LS equipped pretty much as you are planning to equip yours. Joyce was very helpful to us also.
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