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Old 03-27-2007, 12:42 PM   #15
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Cushion materials and contruction are probably key to comfort. Even mattresses can be comfortable on a platform. I thought I read on one site that Flexsteel does custom and modifications.

Marc you are funny.

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Old 03-27-2007, 12:53 PM   #16
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Maybe if you didn't spend ALL your money on tape measurers you could afford more useful tools! When you "measure twice" it's okay to use the tape

I agree the key to comfort is in the foam. The trick with homemade built-ins is not wasting space and maximizing storage. My dinette isn't going to be a "C" but I moved my water tank to the side and want more room for sitting. Also, my front section in the 20 footer is kinda short past the door.

I'd encourage you to build again and design just what you want...then you will have finished 2 dinettes before I complete my one!

Then again looking at your picture you could build a nice shelf between the back of the couch and the front window. For me it would hinge on being able to get the couch donated to your project.

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Old 03-27-2007, 02:02 PM   #17
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hi tim

it's true that many simple platform/cushion combos are uncomfortable...

the reasons according to me butt-o-meter...

1. cushions too thin
2. poor quality foam
3. lower section too deep
4. back cushions not deep enough
5. no arms
6. simple plywood platforms
and so on...

take a look at the dinette bottom in a new classic...

they have spring steel webbing and this makes the butt-o-meter smile...

it's easy to use this material OR use furniture webbing instead of a full wood platform.

alternatively build the platforms a little lower and use 2 layers of cushions...

6 in latex foam base cushions and 2-4 inch topper cushions of wool or dacron or cotton batting...

i prefer wool batting, it's cool and warm and soft and stinker proof...

better futon shops have vendors who can make custom shapes and thicknesses...

here is a link with some ideas. these folks made me a custom airstream shapped 4in wool topper 20 years ago. it was sublime.

also check out their 'double layer' setups and other goodies....

Soaring Heart Futons

my stick-house bed is a '3 layer system' they made 22 years ago, and it's still the best sleeping bed i've owned...

IF ultraleather was the promise have the covers made with it.

ultraleather sews like most other polyester upholstery cloth and comes in some fun colors too....

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Old 03-27-2007, 03:19 PM   #18
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You guys crack me up!

I'm going to give it a try. Maybe make a simple mock up first.

On the L couch shown earlier. Do you have any idea how the drawer pulls out that makes the bed? It looks like the cushion you sit on stays put and the slider pulls out below it.

VTS sells sliders so that might be a source.
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Old 03-27-2007, 04:52 PM   #19
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One of the photos posted earlier is from PizzaChops conversion. You may want to PM him.
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Old 03-27-2007, 05:40 PM   #20
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Hi Tim,

We have the 25FB and the "sofa" has a platform that pulls out from under the
deck the cushions sit on, and above the storage - it is quite sturdy. You use the back cushion to make up the full bed. At this point we don't use the pullout part much because the couch is just the right size for our 8 year old and that gives us more walking room if he is still asleep. The 17 year old sleeps on the table/bed.

Also my in-laws had a new mattress made from a custom futon place that combined the futon and memory foam. It is very comfy too.

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Old 03-27-2007, 06:04 PM   #21
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Tee Hee....

I couldn't resist the earlier post Tim!

As far as sliders, I know on the 75th anniversary Dave W. model, it uses Blum type sliders to pull out the goucho part. I'm sure you could look at campak's 40winker site.. I'm pretty sure he had some pics there of the setup.

Also, when constructing the dinette - I've noted two different ways of making the back cushion support. One method is putting the cushions right up against the wall, vertically. However, I think the late 70's method (and current AS method) is to make a spacer that puts the back of the cushion about 2-3" from the wall at a slant. This allows one to lean back and have a bit vertical compliance for the ol noggin. If the space isn't there, you tend to sit upright with your head bent forward, as there's no room for the head to lean back.

I had no idea the classics had such fancy seating. I'll have to check one out.

I think anything you make will be great....

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Old 03-27-2007, 07:54 PM   #22
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Here's an L-shaped ultra leather sofa.
http://www.customrvinteriors.com/mai...oducts&catid=7
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I had no idea the classics had such fancy seating. I'll have to check one out. Marc
marc,

remember how long we sat looking at pens? spring steel baby!

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Old 03-28-2007, 06:56 AM   #24
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Tim,

I have the plans to my current dinette (still under construction) with my photos (just after the axle removal photos...more to follow there). I am very pleased with the results and feel it is superior to my first attempt in the Overlander.

What you really need (or have access to) is a table saw, mitre saw, and a drill press would be nice. I used 7/8" oak-faced plywood for the framing and used 1/4" oak plywood to fill in the openings. I'll trim out the openings (cap the plywood edges) with oak trim as soon as I have time to make some more with a router. (The table saw is really nice in that you can cut your stock into whatever width you desire. A circular saw is just to hard to get a straight cut with.)

I used pegs (1/2" oak dowels worked best) to connect them together with wood glue. That's where the drill press (Shopsmith) came in handy.

All in all, it wasn't that difficult and I am pleased with the results. I cut two table tops (40" x 24") which will join together to make a 48" x 40" table. It will be supported with 3 posts with flush floor mounts. They will drop to make a queen + size bed using 3 back cushions for the center portion (48" x 13.5")

I'll post some pics in the next week or so as I near completion. Our maiden voyage is scheduled for April 20 and I still need to order cushions for dinette as well as the six bunks.

I wonder if there's a market out there for this?

Anyway, glad to help you anyway I can.
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Nice work Ron. I'll really have to check your pics over really well. I do need a table saw to attempt this, unless its going to be covered in fabric to hide my errors .

I did find this vehicle specialty site that shows modular marine furniture. Even with their smallest combination its a little to wide for my vintage narrow body.

I wonder if its too late to add a living room slide out....
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Old 03-28-2007, 03:34 PM   #26
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Tim,

You can justify the purchase of some woodworking equipment (tablesaw-$150, chop saw- $90) with the savings in doing it yourself, not to mention the custom fit.

A Shopsmith is a really handy item if you can find one on ebay. I purchased a 1954 10er two years ago and have really enjoyed it.

And think of all the other things you can build after you finish the dinette!
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That's pretty nice. Question is can a home handy man who only owns a skill saw and a jig saw build one that nice?

That table looks interesting too. Looks like it slides in somewhere out of the way.
Hey Tim-

Sounds like a trip to Lowes is in your future! Horseshoe is what I will be putting in the Trade Wind with a pullout platform to convert it to a bed with a folding table. That we we have a sitting area with the table stowed, dining area with the table up and a bed with the platform pulled out. Using the green high density foam for all the cushions.
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Old 03-28-2007, 08:45 PM   #28
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Here is a work in progress pic of my dinette in the Sovereign. The slideaway sounds interesting but I can't figure out how to make it into a table. I'm still thinking on that one.

In the picture, I have the aft table in place (2 posts). The forward table is awaiting the post (rv store has on order). I will clasp the two table tops together with something like window latches and it should be sturdy enough for 7 children.

I will hopefully have the tables and nightstand laminated within the next week to match the countertop.
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