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Old 11-02-2004, 10:29 AM   #1
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Paintin walls

I am painting over the vinyl clad walls and have looked throught some past threads and got some good info but still need some feedback.

Just finished talking to a tech rep at Kilz. They sugested using the original Kilz and then using house latex paint. Or using the Premium Kilz and then the Rust Cap (I like the silver gray). Any one use the Rust cap and any sugestions?

They did back up Andy and say to scruff up the viny.

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Old 11-02-2004, 02:13 PM   #2
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Painting Vinyl ?

Hello, I have 26 years in the painting trade with much involved in painting old vinyl wall coverings. I have had great success with a product called Aqualock. Go to thier website insl-x.com This is a waterborn product that I have used for the last 4 years for it's adhesion as well as sealing properties. I am sure there are many products out there that will work, but I strongly recommend this one. I know it will stick much better than Kilz, wich I still use for other applications. Your main concern is it sticking to the vinyl.

Of course cleaning the surface is the most important step in the process.

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Old 11-02-2004, 05:55 PM   #3
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One think I forgot tomention is the Masterchem tech was concerned about the rust cap hammered is that is dries solid and is non flexible and wondered that it might crack in a RV.

I saw in old threads that some have used it and wondered if that had been a problem
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Where did you buy the Aqualock at? I went to their website and found no info on buying.
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Old 07-26-2005, 04:30 PM   #5
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I used a water-based indoor house paint. Worked

great though I needed two coats.
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I just finished painting the entire interior on my MH. As a plastics finishing technical sales rep I did a great deal of testing with various coatings. For safety I wanted to use a 100% water reducible system. I would caution anyone from using alkyd (oil) based primers as they tend to dry out over time. The system I finally used was from Sherwin Williams. The products are not available from the house paint stores but from the Chemical Coatings division and must be sprayed. I tried many types of cleaners but found the only way to remove the stickiness was to use a strong solvent. Laquer thinner. Stubborn areas were hit with some acetone. Alcohol might also work. Use many rags so not to contaminate clean areas. I then used a scotch brite pad to knock the sheen off the woodgrain vinyl clad aluminum. This vinyl clad presented the greatest adhesion challenge. I then applied by spray a coat of bonding primer for plastics.(only to the wood grain vinyl clad aluminum) Areas that need filling were coated with a coat of water reducible sprayfil and sanded. I allowed that to dry for an hour then applied a coat of Polane 700T. This is a texturable single component water based urethane designed for the plastics and electronics industry. It also, has to be sprayed. I like the look of the light texture so I then textured over the top. I will have pictures up shortly for those who are interested to review. I took my time testing and did many sample areas using various potential systems and found the best results were with the aforementioned system. I had painted the headliner a couple of years ago and have no signs of failure. This finish is hard and stain resistant. I can post technical data pages on the products to those who are interested. Alot of work but does it ever look good. No more bedroom dungeon from that hidious fake brown vinyl.
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Sounds like a great process. What are the color options?
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Old 08-01-2005, 07:40 PM   #9
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interior finish product

I was looking for someting to replicate the zolatone interior in my '64, textured but a little cleaner and updated. Did you spray over Zolatone as well as the vinyl? What kind of sprayer did you use?

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I sprayed over everything. There appeared to be 3 different substrates. The head liner appeared to have been coated with something. Possibly Zolatone. I noticed that if I rubbed hard enough with the Laquer thinner during cleanup the color there would come off. IN any event it took my new paint very well with no signs of incompatibility or adhesion issues. I used a 2 quart pressure pot with a conventional spray gun.

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Old 08-16-2005, 11:35 PM   #11
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Ever painted over the end cap in the bathroom? I have a couple of 4" cracks in mine, I was thinking about fiberglass patches over the cracks then heavy coats of paint. If it turned out looking like Doo Doo, then I would rip out the end cap and use the metal flashing technique.....
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Years ago I worked in a paint store and we sold a product called "Goof Off" which removed latex paint. I got to thinking if that paint sticks so good to virtualy anything it needs its own remover it must be pretty good. So I started using a good quality latex paint on virtualy everything including my Airstreams. True to its nature it sticks and sticks and sticks even where I drip and then have to get the "Goof Off." Preparation of course is needed and TSP plus elbow grease works well. Lightly scuff up the surface, patch the holes with plain old wood filler and sand smooth, then use a brush and medium nap roller, the results are stunning. Your color choice is limited to the store where you shop, I like my local True Value hardware store.
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Wood filler on plastic? Hey I'll try anything once, but maybe Bondo would be a better chioce? Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try this first.
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Post Very helpful thread thanks!

Thanks all for posting this information--great food for thought...I'm adding some things to our to do list...
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Wood filler on plastic? Hey I'll try anything once, but maybe Bondo would be a better chioce? Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try this first.
I wouldn't use wood filler on plastic. It doesnt have any ability to chemically bond to the plastic. It might last for a while but it will shrink and probably fall out. The paint might hold it in place, but not for long. Bondo or another catalyzed product would be a better choice. Even a good quality urethane caulk would be better.
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Tiger Hair

Once upon a time, there was a fiber-filled catalyzed product that was made to make body repairs on Corvettes and fiberglass-hulled boats called Tiger Hair. It would be ideal to repair the cracks and splits in the fiberglass interior end caps. It worked better than fiberglass mat, was easier to apply, and easier to form with sanding tools. It (or a modern equivalent) should be readily available from automotive body repair supply outlets.
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"I wouldn't use wood filler on plastic. It doesnt have any ability to chemically bond to the plastic."

The wood filler will be one year old next month and will have travelled over 8000 miles in its original patches on our motorhome. On our trailer it has been even longer and I have not heard from the fastidious new owner, nor seen any ridiculing posts on this forum about my patches. Let me clarify that I use this only for the rivet and screw holes and not large holes. I am not a chemist, just a curious theologian but I think wood filler is more like a liquid plastic before it dries. After it it is dry it feels like plastic and not wood. I have used it both on the plastic, laminate, and metal areas of my trailer and motorhome with good results. And like the latex paint it is very hard to wash off where you have spilled it. I accidentally dropped some on my floor tile and had a devil of a time getting it off.
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painting over zolatone

I'm curious about painting the interior of my Globetrotter. The Zolatone is in pretty good shape, just kind of a dank color. I had thought about overspraying with something off white which would allow some of the original color to come through, but be lighter. I also looked at some Ralph Lauren paints that are sort of like stippled and textured like Zolatone... does anyone know of some kind of thin paint or stain to spray (or sponge or wipe) over the existing Z tone for a similar look but updated?

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New Pics posted

I finally have some pics posted of my new interior paint. I am very pleased with the results both for durability and asthetics. I am going to add some contrast colors over the winter. Like the rest of you I attract curious onlookers who would like to see inside and they all ask if the interior plastic is all new.
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