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Old 05-13-2018, 12:34 PM   #201
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Saw this limit posted on recreation.gov for campsites in Yellowstone and / or Grand Tetons.

Please, please, refrain from buying cheap noisemakers if you just canít camp without a generator by your side. Donít be that camper, eh?
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Saw this limit posted on recreation.gov for campsites in Yellowstone and / or Grand Tetons.

Please, please, refrain from buying cheap noisemakers if you just can’t camp without a generator by your side. Don’t be that camper, eh?
Agree; but the 60 db at 50 feet is not an issue for the Champion Dual Fuel, Yamaha, or Honda models in the 2000W to 4000W that I could see. They all came in way under that db range, especially at 50 ft? It's those cheaper $$ industrial models I was referring too that folks pick up at Harbor freight or Costco that are not the Inverter models...which are typically louder...when being used with an air hammer or tool at a job site, not really an issue with all the other noise. But they are very noisy when in a quiet campsite.
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I could not find that limit...I know when I asked in Glacier last year where those guys had industrial noisy generators, I was told by the Host, there was not a noise limit they had...please post if you see something that is National....
Itís actually statutory. I imagine a warning followed by removal...but removal is the specified consequence.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2010-title36-vol1/pdf/CFR-2010-title36-vol1--12.pdf
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Itís ďGlampingĒ not ďCampingĒ nowadays. Need air conditioning, kitchen, shower, comfy bed, and nice Airstream. Too old to handle sleeping on ground in a tent any more.

The problem with the ground is that itís very difficult to get up off the ground in the morningótoo old and creaky. Besides, over fifteen years as a Boy Scout leader comping almost anywhere has worn me out on Ďroughing it.í


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... but the 60 db at 50 feet is not an issue for the Champion Dual Fuel, Yamaha, or Honda models in the 2000W to 4000W ...
dB measurement is not linear, but logarithmic.

Unfortunately many think that the constant, high rpm drone of a 60 db generator is acceptable to other campers. However, I and most others camping in provincial, state or national parks would prefer to hear the sounds of nature - typically 30 db or less than drowned out by the hum of any generator, especially one at 60 dB.

60 dB Noise Source - Half as loud as 70 dB.
Conversation in restaurant, office,
background music,
Air conditioning unit at 100

50 dB Noise Source - One-fourth as loud as 70 dB.
Quiet suburb,
conversation at home.
Large electrical transformers at 100 feet.

40 dB Noise Source - One-eighth as loud as 70 dB
Library, bird calls (44 dB);
lowest limit of urban ambient sound

30 dB Noise Source One-sixteenth as loud as 70 dB
Quiet rural area.

20 dB Noise Source
Whisper, rustling leaves
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dB measurement is not linear, but logarithmic.

Unfortunately many think that the constant, high rpm drone of a 60 db generator is acceptable to other campers. However, I and most others camping in provincial, state or national parks would prefer to hear the sounds of nature - typically 30 db or less than drowned out by the hum of any generator, especially one at 60 dB.

60 dB Noise Source - Half as loud as 70 dB.
Conversation in restaurant, office,
background music,
Air conditioning unit at 100

50 dB Noise Source - One-fourth as loud as 70 dB.
Quiet suburb,
conversation at home.
Large electrical transformers at 100 feet.

40 dB Noise Source - One-eighth as loud as 70 dB
Library, bird calls (44 dB);
lowest limit of urban ambient sound

30 dB Noise Source One-sixteenth as loud as 70 dB
Quiet rural area.

20 dB Noise Source
Whisper, rustling leaves
Great; and if you don't like the noise, you can always move out, right? Hours for use typically are reasonable at most parks. There are also areas that don't allow generators, so the choice is yours. Not sure it's worth getting worked up over someone's generator unless unusually loud or being run outside use hours. Most of the time, we're out doing stuff during the day anyway. I am happy with our Dual Fuel...it's within limits, works great, and uses propane....did I already mention that?
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... Most of the time, we're out doing stuff during the day anyway.
Thanks for your kind consideration - leaving your generator running while you are away all day.
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Thanks for your kind consideration - leaving your generator running while you are away all day.


I would only do that if you were camping next to me...just to irritate you! No one leaves their generator running when not there, do they? But seriously, if your not happy with a neighbor, who could have screaming kids ridding bikes, or a noisy radio controlled car, or toy vehicle...which we have had happen...you can always move if you are unhappy. It's not a generator making the noise...
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Thanks for your kind consideration - leaving your generator running while you are away all day.
Maybe my handicapped grandmother is in the RV.
Jeez, the generator police are gathering with their torches and pitchforks.
How about my neighbor who chained his pit bulls so they could reach within 2' of my RV and prevented me from walking around my own space?
How about the kids who raced their bikes through my site all day?
How about the campfire up wind that made everything stink of smoke?

My generator is nothing compared to all the annoyances possible.
Everything is relative.
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Maybe my handicapped grandmother is in the RV.
Jeez, the generator police are gathering with their torches and pitchforks.
How about my neighbor who chained his pit bulls so they could reach within 2' of my RV and prevented me from walking around my own space?
How about the kids who raced their bikes through my site all day?
How about the campfire up wind that made everything stink of smoke?

My generator is nothing compared to all the annoyances possible.
Everything is relative.
Forgot about those also...yes...dogs and fire smoke can also be very annoying, and can happen after generator running hours...good points.
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...if your neighbors are close, always ask, offer power if they don't have a genset, of if they be tenting.
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In the tent it canít be seen , and it is a quiet model Honda has min noise. And you can run it in the rain. Nice.

There are any number of issues when in camping, but adjusting to to the situation, in at least a not overt negative manner, is part of the human condition.

I have a Honda eu300is but may try one of the other brands if/when I loose this one. Most likey would go w/ 2 2200ís however.
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I heard a Predator inverter / generator at a campground yesterday (Fruita in Capitol Reef). Donít even try to tell me those things are ďalmost as quiet as a Honda.Ē OMG, so much noise from such a small genny.
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A generator does not bother me. What gets me boiling is people who play loud music in campgrounds. That's when I develop an anger-management problem. The difference is that between personal comfort needs ... and simple loudness without regard for others.
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Which generator

After reading up on the forums, talking to my AS dealer, and other friends who RV, the Honda 2000ís are a popular choice. I have an Intíl 27í FB with 2 AC units (with soft starts), and opted for the Honda EU7000i. Itís powerful and quiet with a great runtime. Only downside is that itís heavy, which means it will stay in the bed of the truck.
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After reading up on the forums, talking to my AS dealer, and other friends who RV, the Honda 2000’s are a popular choice. I have an Int’l 27’ FB with 2 AC units (with soft starts), and opted for the Honda EU7000i. It’s powerful and quiet with a great runtime. Only downside is that it’s heavy, which means it will stay in the bed of the truck.
I just bought 2 Honda eu2200i's/ic and tested them in a number of scenarios on our 30' FC Bunk 2018 with 2 15K BTU AC's:

- Tested with 1 AC, all lights and TV on non eco mode. Status: lights remained green.

- Same test as above but on eco mode. Status: lights remained green

- Tested with both AC's on lights and TV's. Status: lights remained green

- Same as above but on eco mode. Status: Lights remained green.

I haven't tried with microwave on may test today but we rarely use the microwave. In my humble opinion you can get the Honda Companion kit for a little over 2K with all the cords and covers. Wife found a place that sells them online with NO TAX and free shipping for ~$2200. Each one weight wise compared to the eu7000 is much easier to handle, lift etc. You also have the option of just using one which will also power 1 AC unit and save on fuel.

I had also looked at the eu7000 since it provides a single generator to power all. But in my testing I can get the same power support. Hope this helps.

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Just ordered the Champion 3400 Duel Fuel. After using (2) Yamaha EF2000iS
I got tired of gas. I am really looking forward to propane. This was a cheaper option than purchasing a Honda outfitted with propane from GenConneX.
FYI.....in a couple of months Champion will have their 2000 watt generators in dual fuel. Lots of great options when you are in need of a generator.

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Han stone, that is interesting comment.

I may need to rethink this issue. I seem to run out of propane at the worst possible times, and far away from propane dealers. I also seem to encounter a lot of propane dealers that require me to take my tanks off and manually take them to the filling station. It could be because I keep my tanks in a metal box with a locking door on the tongue of my trailer, rather than a cover that lifts off. So gasoline has been my fuel of choice to date. I will pay more attention this year. Maybe I need to go back to the lift off propane cover.

On the other hand, maybe I just need a new trailer...
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Han stone, that is interesting comment.

I may need to rethink this issue. I seem to run out of propane at the worst possible times, and far away from propane dealers. I also seem to encounter a lot of propane dealers that require me to take my tanks off and manually take them to the filling station. It could be because I keep my tanks in a metal box with a locking door on the tongue of my trailer, rather than a cover that lifts off. So gasoline has been my fuel of choice to date. I will pay more attention this year. Maybe I need to go back to the lift off propane cover.

On the other hand, maybe I just need a new trailer...
Most if not all propane filling stations require portable tanks be removed from vehicle before filling. It's the law, I believe. As for running out of propane, I carry a portable 20lb tank which is easy to move around and facilitates my Champion Dual Fuel set up nicely. Easy to get filled up or swapped out even at supermarkets handy marts, Home Depots, etc. if needed. Never had an issue...my 30lb tanks on my AS I also use from time to time.
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I have (2) 20 lb tanks on the trailer.

Gypsydad, are you saying that you have to physically remove your 30 lb tanks when having them filled?

I can barely heft 20lb tanks.
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