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Old 08-13-2010, 04:19 AM   #29
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But, back to the original post....

you are absolutely right! Those bundles of four small logs for $5 is a scam. Without some kind of chemical starter it is very hard to even get going. I agree it is a scam. As long as they exploit the campers with expensive crap, people will continue to bring it from home. Part of the solution is to provide wood that reasonable and can actually be burned. The smokey campfire complaint is a direct result of badly seasoned firewood that is too big to get burning well.

I used to take wood with me. I have a good supply on hand since we heat with it. Lately I have stopped bringing it along. I generally try and buy it outside of the campground, for I get a better deal from someone up the road. If possible I collect my own from the woods nearby.

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Old 08-13-2010, 01:27 PM   #30
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I have been following this thread fro a few days and thought I would chime in. I sell a 50 lb onion bag of seasoned hardwood for $5.75 which I buy from a local mill for $5.00. The bag contains a mix of larger body wood and smaller pieces of kindling to get it started. I'm not getting rich from this endevour just barely covering my overhead. The government is forcing us to take the stand of no outside firewood so don't blame the campground.
As for cutting your own firewood from downed and dead trees. One person doing this is no problem but if everyone visiting the campgrounds did this you would be robbing the forest of it's natural food to regenerate. Besides will everyone be curtious and only cut from downed trees. I have caught individuals using 100 year old pines for axe throwing practice. This tree died two years later from the damage caused by one careless individual. This tree will never be replaced in my lifetime and has irrevocably changed the landscape of this campsite.
I'm glad to see that only three people have responded negatively to this thread. There may be hope for the human race yet. Well alsmost all of us anyway.

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Old 08-13-2010, 02:02 PM   #31
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Ironic, but the 50 lb bag probably limits your sales a bit, because people fear they won't be able to burn 50 lbs of wood before they leave and have to dump what's left!

One campground I staid at near Caddo Lake, East Texas, they had the wood out, in three sections based on size - kindling, sticks and logs. You could take what you liked, mix and match, for 20c/lb (that's *thumbtwiddles* $10 for 50 lbs) which seemed like a pretty good deal, and convenient for the campers. He'd also buy back the unburnt leftovers for 10c/lb!
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Old 08-16-2010, 08:11 AM   #32
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Originally Posted by Jammer View Post
They only grow so far north.
Ash is native 400 miles north of your location [North of Winnipeg] and as far south as Mexico. Please understand the problem is real.
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Old 08-16-2010, 10:15 PM   #33
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There are several bugs that infest our trees. I used to think that the restriction was imposed to sell more firewood by the campground also.
Like not being able to bring water to a concert and then being charged 5 bucks a bottle inside.
After a trip out west last summer and seeing what this bug can do. I have
come full circle(well 180 i guess) . It is devastating.It is also well delineated by the Continental Divide (at least in CO in the RMNP).West of the CD it is much worse.In the east coast it is not a problem.But there are emerald ash borer and those big Asian goobers that are tearing up the trees here. As well as gypsy moths (another import we have all learned to live with)

I do not transport wood anymore. Recently here in Vermont we have had our right to trap minnows for fishing taken away.This is due to a virus that is spreading through the great lakes. In the few short years I have lived in VT (30 yrs to be exact) I have seen the spread of lamprey eels,Zebra mussels,Asian milfoil and a host of other exotic species all invading Lake Champlain and it's tributaries.Birds like cormorants and swans were non existent 15 yrs ago.All due to commercial shipping in the st Lawrence seaway. Big ocean going vessels dumping their ballast in the river.
We as the lil folks endure all the restrictions sanctioned on us
while the shipping industry continues it's seedy practices.[/rant]

Point is we don't need to spread these insects around any more than possible. If I live 10 mi from a state park and I am at the front line
of the emerald ash borers range.I just increased their range 10 miles further. By bringing wood in. Personally I think it is inevitable.We are just slowing it down by imposing restrictions.

When I was growing up we did not have this. But we did have
things like English sparrows and European Starlings being introduced into central park. The European starling started as 4 pairs introduced into
NYC back in the 40's..Any one here not have these birds in their back yard today? Point is we have learned a lot since then... Or have we?
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Old 08-17-2010, 07:37 AM   #34
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I am noticing that in the last five years all of the campgrounds have freaked about some beetle that lives in downed firewood and heaven forbid you should bring your own firewood from "your" part of the country for fear of spreading this things' existence into their campground. Growing up this was no big deal.

I see it as just a scam and a way for the campground owners and State Parks to make money...selling a dinky bundle of firewood for $5. I have campfires at home...and will never pay to buy their wood just so I can have a campfire while camping.

Sometimes I bring along 2 x 4 and hard wood scraps from the wood shop...there aren't any beetles living on that kiln dried wood. I have never had anyone say anything about my bringing that wood, but the whole deal just irks me.

Can anyone shed any info on this; maybe help me see it in a different light?

I feel your pain, I just camped in Strasburg at White Oak and always had a campfire but with the beetle can't bring my own wood. But on the bright side hauling 30 lbs of dead wood will usually use 1.5 gallons of fuel costing $5 so it's an even Steven trade, plus less dusty and convienant if you want more wood.

On another note usually people have camp smokes not camp fires when it's above 85+ degrees and choke out the campground as long as the smoke is rolling away from their rig,they don't care, (it's only 95 and the air quality is zilch).

The last two trips I had the misfortune of being downwind of a fire (smoker) each time, one was cooking outside (smoldering fire) for two hours in 100 degree heat, guess he liked smoked burgers, gag.

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Old 08-17-2010, 07:44 AM   #35
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Dave, the chestnut unfortunately died almost completely out (billions were killed, seriously, BILLIONS), but people are trying to genetically re-engineer it to be more blight resistant. There are still 600 to 800 mature trees in part of Michigan, and others in other areas outside its normal range, like in the West, where settlers brought seeds with them to plant. Some also survive in Canada. There is one planted on the White House lawn that is apparently doing well!

There is a man in Connecticut, near me, who is working on the new Chestnut. We still have native American Chestnuts growing here in our woods, but they do not live longer than about twenty five years in most cases before the disease gets them. They keep trying though. As far as I know the new ones are crossbred and have been successful. I forget how long the crop has been growing, but it's been a while.


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Old 08-17-2010, 08:44 AM   #36
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From someone at ground zero, Michigan, take the warnings seriously. We thought that they were going overboard on the warnings too. The EAB went through here in a matter of just a couple years and decimated S.E. Michigan.
Entire neighborhoods have been totally changed by the ash trees either dying or having to be removed so they won't fall on someone (don't forget the cost in that). Nothing like having a nice shady yard one year and complete sun the next. Literally night and day. You can drive down the roads and see where the ash were by just the sheer number of dead trees.
I didn't realize there were that many here until they started dying. It has changed the whole forest dynamic in some areas by removing the canopy.
We've seen the devastion of beetles in the Smoky Mountains N.P. too. Yes, it can be a pain to have to buy wood, especially if it isn't seasoned. I'd rather pay a couple bucks vs looking at a woodlot of grey ghosts.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:46 AM   #37
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We live on a lovely, tidal, and yet fresh water river - the Mattaponi. Lovely until the bass fishermen became so mobile that they traveled all over the place and brought the weed Milfoil to us.

Not so lovely any more. If restrictions can prevent other types of Typhoid Marys from spreading joy where ever they travel, I'm in favor.

Somebody, please, point me to the road.

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Old 08-17-2010, 08:55 AM   #38
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The original poster has never returned to post back this thread.

It would be nice if they returned and gave a revised opinion or.... something.
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Old 08-17-2010, 09:39 AM   #39
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It's good to see that people are taking this seriously. We have lost so much forest in Arizona.
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If anyone still has doubts, please come visit central British Columbia and see the impact of the mountain pine beetle on our forests.
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Old 08-17-2010, 09:55 AM   #41
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We are loosing Madrone trees, cedar tree, pines and firs in Oregon as well as Oaks all from one beetle, borer or fungus. Along with other trees mentioned across our great country there is a problem with butternut (white walnut) I recently heard even eastern black walnut. They watch it move county by county I hate to even think about. People get mad when they are stopped at boat ramps too to check boats to help control invasive species. Some things are a small price to pay so our kids can enjoy what we have so be it in a more slightly more controlled way.
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I bought a Quikfire propane "campfire" (www.quikfire.com) a few years ago to use with our truck camper (no place carry wood). I like it. Clean, adjustable flame size from barely on to roaring HOT. Looks pretty decent too if you get the ceramic "logs" for it. Now that we have a trailer, I'm still going to use it because of the hassles of firewood and now all the restrictions. Also, when there is High fire danger, most campgrounds allow propane fires because they can be instantly turned off.
We've lost a few big pines on our property over the last few years and don't want to see any more die.

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