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Old 06-26-2010, 01:51 PM   #85
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Actually, I think you'll find that while some campground operators are somehow behind efforts to outlaw bigbox overnighting, a good number of the local ordinances originate from complaints from the non-RVing pubic, some of whom lump the lifestyle in with low-income housing and other riff-raff.

As far as a quick stopover for a few winks is concerned, why not! We'd do it, too, except that bigbox stores aren't exactly that common in the four corners region that we love to travel in.


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I agree with your assessment. I think that the new rules and ordinances are the result of inconsiderate RVers "camping" as opposed to "stopping over" in the big box parking lots. Last year, we were in the Wal-Mart parking lot in Roswell, New Mexico. There was a group of RVs there formed into a '"compound". They had their awnings and slides out and were having a barbque with grills out in the parking lot. Of course, they were from Florida. I was embarrassed. I think that it is inconsiderate people like these that are ruining the "stop over" privilege.

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i don't think these campgrounds realize messing with walmart is like poking a hungry bear with a stick. walmart will buy out these campgrounds and put more walmarts on them.
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We're up in Fairbanks and the Walmart here is infested with unhooked RVs. Chairs are out with their owners seating and reading, generators at the sides at their sides, awnings unfurled, one or two BBQs smoking, and the sun never sets.
If we are going to over night in a parking lot it will be near a Barnes and Nobles.

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My assessment of the Walmart overnight parking si when you are under way to a destination and plan to stop for the night, sleep, then leave early the next morning. I've never used a Walmart parking lot but the price is right for the traveling venue.
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I have stayed overnight many times at Wal-Mart. The last time I pulled into a campground in the wee hours was the last time for me. I got lost off the highway for one, when I arrived it had a ruptured water main and the road was flooded, the campsites were newly made and full of mud and no one was awake and it was pitch dark. I drove right back onto the interstate and found the next rest stop though some times it is a Wal-Mart and I always shop there prior to getting a few hours sleep. The time it takes to rouse hosts from their sleep and sign in and park and pay, and expense to catch 40 winks is not worth the effort to me. I feel MUCH safer on the road with the trucks than to pull off and stumble around getting lost and asking for directions to pull into a questionable site without adequate lighting or supervision. I will take the supermarket or travel center noise. It isn't vacation it's sleeping so I don't cause a crack-up with another car, that simple.

Also my DH just got a job at Wal-Mart, thank God after two years unemployment! and very much unlike 33 years at GM and now without a benefit the comments here about working at Wal-Mart certainly seem uncalled for in this thread. We are grateful to have a single part time job between the two of us here in Metro Detroit Michigan with very high unemployment in the area. More power to those that can reach public lands and avoid big box stores but some of us cannot and still have scruples and feelings. Thank you very much.
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Also my DH just got a job at Wal-Mart, thank God after two years unemployment! and very much unlike 33 years at GM and now without a benefit the comments here about working at Wal-Mart certainly seem uncalled for in this thread. We are grateful to have a single part time job between the two of us here in Metro Detroit Michigan with very high unemployment in the area. More power to those that can reach public lands and avoid big box stores but some of us cannot and still have scruples and feelings. Thank you very much.
I'm with you. Walmart is an imperfect corporation- just like EVERY other company (or person for that matter) on the planet. But because they are profitable and large, they get a bad rap. They are in business, once again just like every other business, to make money. Anyone who sees their purpose as something else is naive. Heck, most NON profit organizations are as or more ruthless than Walmart. For some reason some people feel that because they are successful they have a responsibility to martyr themselves in the name of everyone else.

I choose to live in a free country, one where a person- Like Sam Walton- can start a business, and run it as he sees fit. If he doesn't make any money, he will run out, problem solved. We all know how his story went though.

I'm glad your Husband has found employment.
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Please tell Brad we are very glad to see he is at least getting a paycheck,such as it is,its better that what he had. Save your pennies,I know we are and we will see you in Aug.
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The Walmart baby is a fine example of overnight camping at Walmart.....VERY fine indeed.
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The Walmart baby is a fine example of overnight camping at Walmart.....VERY fine indeed.
Agreed and seems that even the inmates were not pleased with the Wal-Mart baby incident.....

Alleged Walmart Parking Lot Baby Salesman Beaten in Jail, Say Cops - Crimesider - CBS News
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The Walmart baby is a fine example of overnight camping at Walmart.....VERY fine indeed.

How so? Might be an example of some folks who shop there but no more so than if those meth heads stopped at a 7-11, Quick-Pick, local corner convinience store... not sure I understand the connection between the meth heads and overnight camping at WalMart...
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Boy, no kidding. I also wonder why people sit on garage-sale lawn chairs around a campfire, when they could be sitting on state-of-the-art seating systems (maybe $50 a piece), looking at a portable, propane-fired flame system (maybe $150). Or why people sit outside at all, talking to their neighbors, when they could be inside watching their new flat-screen TVs (maybe $350), in air-conditioned comfort (maybe $300 plus electric usage). Or why some people boondock out in the woods, when they could be in a nice KOA (maybe $40 a nite, full hook-ups plus wifi) that has a pool, restaurant, and gift shop. Or why some people fix up old Airstreams, or other vintage trailers, rather than buying a nice, new, class A diesel rock-star bus (maybe $500,000). Why ever try to get by with less, or rein in spending and consuming, or use what is available and free?? Why stay for free in a Walmart lot when there is a $40 Jellystone Kampground readily available at the next exit? I just don't get some people.
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Why?, he asks. Well, the answer is obvious. Many people don't like the government telling them they can't camp overnight on the parking lot of a private business. The question that should be asked is "Why do some people want to give government the power to tell them where they can camp, what doctor they see and who knows what else is being cooked up in Washington as I type this.
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This is a great thread. My wife and I have laughed all the way through it.

I want to be free to park overnight wherever the property owner will allow it... within limitations of decency and neighborliness, of course. Honestly I don't see much difference in some of the RV parks I have seen and the Wal-Mart parking lot. Actually, that is not true. Wal-Mart has more room than most "parking lot" RV parks. Wal-Mart may be a bit noisier at times, but at least they welcome you and appreciate your business. Okay, now to be completely open: I have never parked an RV at a Wal-Mart. I have parked one in an empty lot across from a casino, next to several diesel trucks. I had a very good nap, and woke my family and hit the road again with very little delay. I didn't need hookups, bathroom or swimming pool, and didn't want to pay for them. I was pressed for time and wanted a few hours sleep. My business still went to the local economy as we stopped at a gas station a couple of blocks away and filled up.

I think the most important idea of this thread may be this: We are America: what does that mean to you? That's the point. You can choose to stay every night in an RV resort, or you can stay on land with the permission of the owner for whatever they want to charge. It is not anyone else's business.

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I do not mind spending an evening at a/an (fill in the blank) while going from point A to B. In fact, I really do not care what other RVers think about me spending an evening at a parking lot, empty field, BLM vacant real estate, National Forest pull outs, Jackson Center service center or anywhere else I can spend an evening and not be violating common sense or property owner's rights. Of course, living west of the Mississippi River offers a RVer more options than the more populated parts of the USA. The more populated an area, the less common sense exhibited and for good reason. It is unsafe outside a fenced designated camping area. Just do not bring that attitude to the Rockies...

I have spent evenings, while traveling long days, at Walmart, Costco, Flying J, Casinos, Discount Tire as well as State and Privately owned campgrounds as a few examples. I find the State owned and operated camp grounds clean, priced reasonable and great locations. It gives me a good feeling knowing there is campground parking available to those people who do not like the atmosphere around alternative options. I am not cheap. I am frugal.

Look at the options staying at alternative locations.

Walmart- groceries, supplies, snow shovel, asphalt lot, ice
Costco- tires, lawn chairs, chocolate covered raisins, fresh muffins
Flying J- water, dump station, usually the best gasoline price
Casinos- buffets, craps tables, video poker for the wife, outside security
Discount Tire- tire pressures checked, tires checked at sunrise

Commercial Private Camp Ground- traffic, candy bars, propane sales, table chained to a dead tree, KFC chicken in the bushes, check in and check out. NO chocolate coated raisins, muffins or craps table to be seen...

I have been to 50 states, although not driving to each. Now I am looking for the other 7 that our current political administration has pointed out that exist... Politicians always know better for us soon to be poor and lost souls who are still happy and live life at its best.
While I like most of this post someone should inform Ray that there are areas east of the Mississippi that are often referred to as Podunk. This being a term reserved for a very sparsely populated, very out of the way, off the beaten path place. Other terms are "I live in the sticks" or "I live over in the hollar", or "you know I live off in Jones' woods" or " I'm from the backside of nowhere". The town I found myself originally domiciled in was Wolf Creek, TN. pop.27 or otherwise known to everyone except that 27 (well truth be told some of them also) as Podunk.
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