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Old 05-17-2009, 01:32 PM   #57
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If walmart/sams club was as smart, they would publish a location site, set side certain rules such as no awnings or campfires and offer secured areas. Put us in the back forty with signs and protected pavement markings, go ahead and charge 5 even 10 bucks for the simple security and relative peace of mind over a truck stop. Make it simple, we pay for a windshield ID, they charge the credit card registered, much like an i pass on turnpikes. Then, give incentives like hell with discounts toward future purchases. F u mister campground owner complainer. Now you woke up a sleeping giant that has killed almost every catagory it competes with. Be careful what you wish for!

Walmart/Sams club,sign me up.
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Walmart/Sams club,sign me up.
Sign me up to. I've stayed in campgrounds with trains running through them, barking dogs all night, fighting kids and smelly farms next door. Many Walmarts we've stayed in are better then some campgrounds. Lots of them welcome us and have their security look after you all night. I'm not looking for scenery just a place to rest for the night until we get to the camp.
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...Walmart/Sams club,sign me up.
I agree with the sentiment, but am pretty sure that Walmart/Sams wouldn't want anything to do with it. If they did, they'd obligate themselves to even more paperwork and taxes.

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We figure to be in Craig, Colorado, day after tomorrow. In checking RV reviews website, I see the county put in RV sites in the Moffat Co. Fairgrounds, then closed them to everyone except people with horses because the local KOA complained. There's no where else to camp within many miles, and we'd like to avoid that KOA (which got mediocre reviews as well), but we have no choice*. The Fairgrounds charged $10, the KOA a bunch more.

It's interesting to note the Moffat Co. commissioners have a reputation for being extremely conservative but when it comes to competition, maybe they're not so conservative, but then again, maybe they are against gov't involvement in the marketplace, but why did they allow RV spaces in the Fairgrounds? All very confusing to me.

Maybe we can borrow a horse for the night. If we can rent one for $10, pay the $10 Fairgrounds fees, we'll still be ahead by a lot.

I agree there are a lot of crummy commercial campgrounds that pack in people and are badly planned, and charge a lot for it. As eubank and another posted, motels are a lot more expensive than most campgrounds. Sometime in the 90's, motel prices began rising a lot—maybe because by then the big chains started to dominate what had been a very fractionalized business. It seems motels used to charge $30-50 and then it started getting close to $75-100 in the past few years for the same lodging. RV campgrounds now occupy the price range motels used to be in and KOA's seem to be at the top of the RV range except for the few "resorts" that don't want anyone with a 10+ year old RV (where do 11 year old Prevosts go anyway? Do they self-destruct?). So far as I know, there's only one national franchise RV chain, KOA, and it's been around for a long time. While I expect the rest of RV campgrounds follow the KOA rate structure, one chain (and a rather small one at that) cannot move prices very much, so we are safe (relatively) for now, maybe. The RV (and lodging) business is so bad right now, rates won't move for a couple of years, and maybe longer until the electric truck comes out and can go 500 miles on a quick charge. Bad business, however, can lead to 2 things—restrictive ordinances and a lot of closed campgrounds and that results, often, in higher prices because of no competition.

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*Choice is a matter of choice. No doubt there are public lands options, but we want to get in and out fast, flush the black tank thoroughly, and get home that day. Campground wireless is important and cheaper than an aircard. Public lands are often 10 or 20 miles off the highway and that's lot of time when we want to move on down the road. We have no desire to camp at a Walmart or a Flying J and don't. Rest stops are even less appealing where they are legal for overnight. But to each his (or her own). People travel differently.
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The only businesses we have utilized for an overnight stay while traveling have been Cabelas and Cracker Barrel. Each time we have spent more the next morning than we would have paid an RV park for a few hours sleep. I'm sure Wally World knows that the RVer's who stay with them overnight also shop their store to replenish their supplies. The only time we have done this is because of a late hour we just needed a few hours sleep before pressing on, or there was no close campground, or the local RV park was full. If a traveler perceives he is getting ripped off he will avoid that particular park for future stops and let others know by word of mouth. And usually those RV parks with the reasonable prices and decent facilities always get the repeat business. It is sad that a business that can't attract dollars by value and customer service has to resort to government to herd people their way. Typical mindset, if we don't get what we want, by all means get government involved.
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ther is the best term for a walmart boondock...

Wal-mart is a trailer stop not a campground . After long day or driving you can rest or sleep the night then take off in the morning. No hook up just open the door crash on bed and wake in the morning and go... That I think would be the best way to look at useing Wal-mart parking lot...
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Motel/Hotel Costs - Anyone notice that minimum wage isn't what it used to be? Has anyone bought a set of sheets or a pillow lately? What do basic utilities cost vs. 10 years ago? Oh and local taxes? Or a gallon of gas? I bought a small utility pump almost identical to one I had several years ago - cost $90 and I'm sure I didn't pay even $40 "back in the day". Hotel and motel owners aren't by and large just gouging, they are trying to make a living just like you and I are.

If you're like me - you use a hotel and leave it in pretty much the same state as when you entered. We don't think about the cost of the people who have a 20 person party in the room which results in carpet that has been vomited on, mattresses that are destroyed, holes punched in walls, ceilings, mirrors, television sets, irons that have been left on and have burned through bathroom counter tops, toilets that have been cracked, etc. And then there is the theft of linens and towels... and the number of people who still think that is "expected"?

In campgrounds, there are the construction gangs who unbeknownst to the owner have 20 employees using the shower houses from one trailer... and the kids that put the barbie dolls, rocks, turtles, etc down the sewer pipes... and the ones who build campfires so big that they kill the trees. Then there is everyone's personal favorite, the huge moho owner who sneaks in at 2 AM, dumps his tanks, emptys the trash, takes a long shower, recharges the batteries, refills a 50 gallon white tank, then fades into the sunrise... all without paying. The surveillance cameras that many campgrounds are adding to send those clowns a bill aren't cheap either. (Oh and in semi-urban campgrounds, there are the homeless people who use the showers and bathroom facilities. One owner I know personally LETS that happen because he feels when people get clean and shaved they may have a chance of getting a job and moving up out of homeless status.

KOA is a franchise - individual owners - and it ain't easy to make a living. The local KOA was taken over by corporate, and has gone from bad to worse. The land is probably so valuable that it will be turned into pink hotels or condo's as soon as the economy gets a bit better... so even corporate isn't going to put in a single improvement that will merely be bulldozed within the next year or so... the place has potholes that a pop-up could disappear into.

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Wal-mart is a trailer stop not a campground . After long day or driving you can rest or sleep the night then take off in the morning. No hook up just open the door crash on bed and wake in the morning and go... That I think would be the best way to look at useing Wal-mart parking lot...
A campground would be the place I am driving to to camp and enjoy my weekend or vacation.
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What does Nancy Pelosi have to do with this thread?

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Getting back to Maine and the main issue of overnight parking:
It might be interesting to learn the opinions of Angus King, the former Maine governor. When he left office in 2003, he and his family drove their RV all around the USA (coast to coast) for about six months. I wonder if they ever did an overnight at a Wal-Mart or Flying J or Cracker Barrel.

Read about their trip here: Where's Molly?
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limit or kill off other suppliers.
Walmart's mission statement I do believe.
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