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Old 12-24-2010, 08:08 AM   #57
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Peace on Earth, Good Will Toward Men?

Christmas Eve, and the hottest thread on Airforums is about killing our fellow man? (sigh)

The Peace of the Lord be with all of you. . . and. . . cease fire?

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Old 12-24-2010, 08:14 AM   #58
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Nah, the thread is about not being killed by our fellow man. I think it's clear from the thread that killing them right back is just one of the options. I have a cat, and if anyone tried that on me, my cat would kill them with allergies and demands for food!

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Secguru, if you are the author of what you wrote, bravo! Very well written. My post was based on worst-case scenario, with trailer breached.

wasagachris, I would like to respond in a respectful manner, if I may...I admire your ideals. I have never been to Canada, so I cannot presume to assume what the conditions are like there, however I have traveled to many states in the US. It is a proven fact that, with more gun ownership, crime stays low. About 15 or so years ago a town in Georgia had an open carry law. Crime was less than 1%. A liberal mayor was elected, based on his deceptive campaign. He had the open carry law repealed. As a result, crime shot up to 13% that year. The mayor was booted out and the former mayor was brought back. The open carry law was reinstituted and crime went back down.

It is a shame that there are scumbags who prey on the weak. Having that extra edge/deterrent is useful sometimes, no matter how reprehensible some may find it.
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Old 12-24-2010, 09:17 AM   #60
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Good information and great fun. It is great to live in the USA. Best wishes to all and a Merry Christmas. I sure hope Santa brings me a new Glock. Ho Ho Ho
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Old 12-24-2010, 09:29 AM   #61
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In my personal experience, self defense is a mindset, and requires practice.
That is a basic many people gloss over. They get too wrapped up in caliber, capacity and shot placement.

I've done lots of firearms training. Usually Training Deputy Sheriffs to shoot well enough to get a salary bonus and newbies in home defense pistol tactics.

A pistol is not the answer in every situation. Can you bluff, talk, escape? Are they on the other side of your door or inside. Earlier someone talked about someone pounding on their door and breaking their window. No property you own is worth an evildoers life. In that case you yell for them to go away. Don't even contemplate shooting until they have ignored your yells and are inside.

The only time lethal force should be used is if someone's life is in danger. If thats the case. You better know how to use your pistol and the only way you learn that is with training and practice.

The purpose when you HAVE to use your pistol is to stop someone from what they are doing. It's not about "blowing someone away" or killing them. It's to stop their attack on you or someone else. Aim for center body mass. Also go with an easy to use pistol. Preferably one that is intuitive like a .38 revolver, HK P7 or a Glock 17,19. Also pick a caliber that is easy to shoot with good stopping ability. Lower recoil faster back on target times. Like a .38 or 9mm.

The purpose of defense is to get someone or somebody's to stop what they are doing and go away. Layer it and do everything you can to avoid shooting someone. There are no winners in a shooting. So dogs, lights, your awarness
Your confidence in telling a possible bad guy to go away. Use of a firearm is your last gasp but if thats what you got to do them be trained and do it right.

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Old 12-24-2010, 09:46 AM   #62
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Not a Navy Seal here......

But I am fond of platypuses, neither of which is really relevant. It seems to me that the rate of acts of violence against RVers is probably pretty low. I say this because when they do happen, regardless of where, it is the talk of the forums for some time. Perhaps someone can provide actual statistics rather than imagined scenarios regarding this.
At the end of the day, I suspect the chances of being put in the position of using a firearm for self defense when camping is about zero.

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Old 12-24-2010, 09:56 AM   #63
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Nice thread;
Most of the time a M&P .357 wheel gun in the pocket, Or if in a bad area for work a 1911 .45 w/IWB milt sparks holster. Or mabey both for the New York reload option. Great to be an American and thanks to all Vets and current Military for keeping us safe and Free.
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Weapons are like carrying a spare tire........
When you need it, it's real nice to have it........
I take precautions like always having great tires on my rig......
I rarely even need my spare.......
But when I do, S&W, M&P, 40., head shot......
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XD40 and TCP380 in the TV and trailer - 24/7 with CCW. Merry Christmas!!!
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I agree with howco...

When you're out in the desert, 100 miles from nowhere and out of cell phone range, it's nice to know you have a spare tire and all the right tools!
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just another one of the things that man should of not invented.
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Glock 9mm, night sight, 2 extra clips loaded with hollow points. I carry mine with me on any trip with or without the Airstream. Whatever weapon you decide to choose, take a gun safety course and also spend time at a gun range getting familiar with your firearm. Check with your state and the states you'll be traveling through regarding firearm laws.

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