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Old 06-01-2015, 09:30 PM   #29
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Are you kidding me- a septic system??? Crap in a toddler diaper placed in a bucket and put them in a dumpster with rest of the trash. Diapers are biodegradable and land fills now have special liners. Solution is not to make any black water. City/county rules and the EPA regs were all written by BCAs
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Old 06-01-2015, 09:41 PM   #30
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Last check, dirty baby diapers were not illegal!!!!!! But somebody will make a rule requiring scraping the poop into a city certified toilet. How many years did humans survive without regulations????
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Old 06-01-2015, 10:11 PM   #31
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Well, we did have cholera and typhus, really miss those...

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Old 06-01-2015, 10:41 PM   #32
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A cheaper way than a bona fide septic system is an above ground vault. Kind of a super black tank. Paint it camo and call in a pumper when it's full.

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Old 06-01-2015, 10:50 PM   #33
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Mike: Just in case a user (pooper) may have been exposed to and carry cholera or typhus etc. put in a septic system and have it checked daily for many diseases. Otherwise do something else. See my post # 19

If you line your existing toilet with a toddler diaper - here's a sign for the bath wall:

If you pee - let it be
If you poo - no shame on you
(don' leave diaper-replace it with a clean one HINT: FOLD, TAPE & TRASH YOURS FIRST
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Old 06-02-2015, 05:56 AM   #34
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Well, we did have cholera and typhus, really miss those...

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I was thinking the same thing, from the days when chamber pots were emptied into city streets.

There's a reason that is no longer allowed.

If I had no other option, I would dig a deep hole....or ask someone nicely to do it for me......dump in there, and fill it in.

The diaper idea is interesting, but aren't the landfills already full of these items, that don't break down?

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Old 06-02-2015, 08:38 PM   #35
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When we were raising kids, our 3 sons wore cotton diapers... in the 70's and early 80's..

We did use the 'disposable' type when we travelled long distances where we would not have access to proper washateria...which was only OUR home washer. Yes, the dirties went in the toilet..

When we were 'in the country' where 'open burning' took place, we would immolate the mess..
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Old 08-07-2015, 10:38 PM   #36
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Well, we made it. After spending the summer at this location I'm glad to say that we did not have to dig a septic system and we did not have to dump illegally. It turns out the neighbors are super nice people and were more than happy to let us dump our tanks in their septic system. I bought a 32 gal portable tank and used a tractor to pull it up the hill. Got waaaaaay more poopy water on me than I thought I would but it worked out!
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Old 08-08-2015, 03:39 AM   #37
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In desert climates some people use evaporation pools for gray water. Actually a couple of kiddie pools work fine. That and a composting toilet make a great combo, little if anything to cart away or bury or disburse. No splashy poopy on shoes, either.
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We actually just let the gray water go into the field. It was a slight hill so the water disbursed easily and within a few hours was completely gone. The grass grew a LOT better in that area too.
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Agree, composting toilet.
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For black tank, composting toilet is an excellent (and the only viable) short-term solution ... a proper septic system is the only viable long-term solution for black and gray. Remember, even septic system has a tank that needs to be pumped when the solids tank fills up. The septic drain field is only for liquids. IMHO it's unconscionable to think about dumping black any other way--regardless of whether or not it's your property. There's a reason why "the code" exists.
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For black tank, composting toilet is an excellent (and the only viable) short-term solution ... a proper septic system is the only viable long-term solution for black and gray. Remember, even septic system has a tank that needs to be pumped when the solids tank fills up. The septic drain field is only for liquids. IMHO it's unconscionable to think about dumping black any other way--regardless of whether or not it's your property. There's a reason why "the code" exists.
So outhouses have ruined the environment? And the required use of the little fiberglass pit toilets at every campsite which the Forest Service installs in the BWCAW (under the rules of the Wilderness Act) are unconscionable and ruin the environment?

Now, if OP is dumping RV BT chemicals or is releasing on top of the ground, or within 150' of a waterway, I would be against that.
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So outhouses have ruined the environment? And the required use of the little fiberglass pit toilets at every campsite which the Forest Service installs in the BWCAW (under the rules of the Wilderness Act) are unconscionable and ruin the environment?

Now, if OP is dumping RV BT chemicals or is releasing on top of the ground, or within 150' of a waterway, I would be against that.
dznf0g, not looking for an arguement ... the OP indicated interest in an "eco-conscious" approach, which is what I provided, though, I admittedly erred in stating that a septic system is "the only" long-term solution. The Forest Service pit toilets are catchment systems that are pumped empty when they are filled. The point is, solids will accumulate and they should be removed. The other point is that the USFS likely performed an impact assessment before locating the installation sites. I don't want to turn this into a "pissing contest" but given we're talking about black tank waste, I vehemently assert that the code is the code for a reason. We don't know anything about the water table, soil composition, drainage, slope topology, geography with respect to the stream or other water features in this area, etc., but we do know there's a stream on the property. If the OP intends to use this site for any period of time, I continue to assert that compliance with code is the only right thing to do. This is not meant to imply that if it's not used for a considerable period of time, that dumping black is okay. This is where the short-term solution is advisable: composting toilet. And if this isn't the OP's property, then I assert even more strongly that an "outhouse" hole to dump a black tank is unconscionable to do. My opinion. Have a nice holiday.

Edit: the 2015 FB International has a 39 Gal black tank. That's a pretty big tank... Then couple emptying the tank with flushing to keep the valve clean ... that's a large opportunity to contaminate a large area. I'm not a sanitation engineer, but I would imagine there's a difference between a "one dump at a time" outhouse and bulk sewage...
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