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Old 02-12-2007, 02:29 PM   #15
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I've towed both a 19' Bambi and a 25' Safari and one thought that came to mind after the fact is that the 25' dual axle Safari had less harsh of a ride (bounce) in these conditions. If this is something you may do regularly, sure the 19' would do it, but you might want to consider a dual axle Airstream for more than one reason (22' or 23'). The other reason being if you have a tire mishap on those remote graded roads, you can limp to the next stop, whereas the single axle, you're just there on the spot dealing with it.
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Old 02-12-2007, 02:48 PM   #16
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I've towed both a 19' Bambi and a 25' Safari and one thought that came to mind after the fact is that the 25' dual axle Safari had less harsh of a ride (bounce) in these conditions. If this is something you may do regularly, sure the 19' would do it, but you might want to consider a dual axle Airstream for more than one reason (22' or 23'). The other reason being if you have a tire mishap on those remote graded roads, you can limp to the next stop, whereas the single axle, you're just there on the spot dealing with it.
Good point. You have a spare tire? or if not you really should get one.
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Old 02-12-2007, 04:05 PM   #17
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I'll be watching this thread with interest. If all goes as planned, my AS will make her final 1,700-mile voyage this Summer, ending at 12,000' on my old mining claims in Colorado. The last 8 miles of that run generally requires an hour in 4-low in an unladen Jeep, and I expect it to take perhaps a month with the AS, roadbuilding as I go. Obviously, low-hanging stuff beneath will have to be addressed -- probably by just removing it in my case. I've thought of welding-up some steel skid plates in areas of likely ground contact. On nights when the beer is flowing freely, I even consider raising the suspension on the old gal, then I sober-up and remember the several touchy side hills with thousand-foot drops. Hmmm, button-activated quick-release hitch, or maybe just leave the seatbelt off and be prepared to jump.
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Old 02-12-2007, 04:50 PM   #18
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How far 'off-road' can one take an AS? Specificially something like a 19' Bambi? I like to car camp in remote areas, places with a graded dirt road, or old forest service road, and wondering about the accessibility of those places with an AS. I know that the new BaseCamp has an off-road package; however I am looking for something that has 'in-door' plumbing for my wife.
No serious off-roading, mind you. Just dirt roads/logging roads, etc.

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I had a 20 ft land yacht. Used to live in it on remote logging sites all over western United States ,summer & winter. Take it easy, you will be fine. Practice backing up! REMEMBER ! NEVER HOLLER "WHOA" IN A MUD-HOLE!!!!!!!!!!!! Sandra k. and driver.
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Old 02-12-2007, 06:31 PM   #19
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I take my 25' TW on plenty of gravel and dirt roads up on the rim as well as the white mtns. Once a year I go to Cyclone Lake near Lake Hawley and it is pretty back woods. My fear is that a tree will be blocking the road and I will need to turn around. I would suggest a set of Rock Tamers for your truck to prevent rocks from putting dents in your trailer.
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Old 02-12-2007, 07:37 PM   #20
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My fear is that a tree will be blocking the road and I will need to turn around.
Last night I was reading in the Gals thread in here and they said when traveling alone it is a good idea to bring along some extra fuel just in case if not for a piece of mind....I guess a chain saw would also be a must if boondocking down logging trails and unknown territory..and don't forget the two stroke oil and bar oil......

So say you are stuck on a two lane road with nowhere to go...is it just impossible to turn say a 21' around?? Can you get it to an angle that you could manuever it unhitch and turn around??...has anybody been there and done that...
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Old 02-12-2007, 09:27 PM   #21
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Lot's of good points here - I took my old 21', and now take my 16', on gravel roads like you describe. Here's a couple more ideas:

1) If you are fussy about some nicks and dings in the front of your A/S, by all means get the extra mudguards, but some stones will inevitable get through. My solution is to use bubble wrap (I buy thinner sheets in rolls, for not too much $$) and packing tape, and cover up all surfaces that I don't want to get dings. Works very well, not expensive (compared to fixing dings in A/S aluminum!), comes off when I get home without leaving residue, etc. If you're not too fussy about some dings, this is not a big deal.

2) If I have ANY doubt about the condition of the gravel roads, about mud holes or ruts & rocks, etc., I drop the trailer off somewhere along the paved road and check things out in the truck before commiting to taking the trailer. Another tip - if you see 'worse' rigs than yours coming out you are probably OK. Or, if people are coming out coated with fresh mud, you have a chance to think twice before going in. A side benefit, if you go all the way to the campground solo, you can stake out your campsite and relax on the drive in with the A/S, knowing in advance you already have your site. A little extra driving, a LOT less stress!

Both of my Airstreams have taken gravel road travel in stride - but be ready to take it slow, especially over the wash board sections, and keep an eye out for faster moving folks and pull over to let them pass.
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Old 02-12-2007, 09:30 PM   #22
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So say you are stuck on a two lane road with nowhere to go...is it just impossible to turn say a 21' around?? Can you get it to an angle that you could manuever it unhitch and turn around??...has anybody been there and done that...
Hmmm, Impossible?
Depends on how narrow the road is - it would have to be as wide as your trailer is long, unless you could unhitch, then hang the tail out over the downhill side as you turn it around. But now I would be very nervous getting the wheels that close to the edge.

How you lift a tongue with a 400# tongue weight would be an issue - depends on what tools you have and how creative you can be.

How level is the spot? Would the trailer want to roll away from you as you move it?

How many people do you travel with to assist in above chores?


Impossible is a last resort, but as you can see it would very likely be impossible for most.

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Old 02-15-2007, 11:51 AM   #23
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Newbie with a newbie question:

How far 'off-road' can one take an AS? Specificially something like a 19' Bambi? I like to car camp in remote areas, places with a graded dirt road, or old forest service road, and wondering about the accessibility of those places with an AS. I know that the new BaseCamp has an off-road package; however I am looking for something that has 'in-door' plumbing for my wife.
No serious off-roading, mind you. Just dirt roads/logging roads, etc.

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Ground clearance must also be considered.

If your axle is ok, then it can be shimmed to raise the trailer.

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Old 02-18-2007, 07:02 PM   #24
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Think narrow

Think narrow for this kind of camping is my suggestion, hence, think vintage as the bodies are not as wide. I havent done as much boondocking in this type setting with the Trade Wind yet as I have with the old pop up. However, I think narrow is important for geting into the nicest spots on occasion. Also, a word to the wise, think height while you are on these back woods excersions or you may put a big ole dint/crease into your campers roof from low hanging branches and what not.
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Going to the rim? Forest service roads? Christopher Creek? As AZflycaster pointed out these are awesome destinations. With good running gear and a narrower trailer the going will be easier. Your wife will appreciate working plumbing, a soft bed and an in door cooking arrangement. Plus it may be easier to set up and break camp. Not always setting up shelter/bed and that kinda of stuff.

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Old 05-29-2007, 02:26 PM   #27
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Just what I was looking for!

As usual... Anyhow we are just about the proud owners of our get out of Phoenix in the summer spot. A nice ~1.5 acres at 5700 feet. It's just over 9 miles from the main road and the last 5 miles or so are unpaved. It is a wide well graded road but there is at least one dip into a cement flood drainage and many sections of washboard. I was more concerned about the latter. I didn't want to open the door upon arrival and see overhead cabinets on the floor. We were even contemplating something more rugged then an AS. Now I'm thinking it could be doable. Any specifics on what to tighten, brace and or bungee? My vision had always included the Safari. Anyway we still need to get a spot graded (I'm thinking our very own pull-through or two).
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Old 05-29-2007, 04:45 PM   #28
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Ravialdo:

We have taken our 26' 1968 AS and F150 4x4 TV to many off-road boondock camps even with the original (and soon to be replaced) axles and shocks without a glitch. The key is proper loading, hitch set up, and driving technique. Take it easy and keep your eye out for washboards or major ruts/bumps. Our only bad incident was caused by an unseen speed bump on a state park road in Kansas. Saw it too late at 25+mph and the whip lash effect cracked our bathroom sink drain pipe!

The most difficult scenario is entering landscape without an opportunity to turn around and exit. We followed a sign to a campground in NE Arizona last April to find the gate closed with sign "campground closed for season" wiht no chance to turn around. The egress was 1/4 mile in reverse up gravel road with little sun light - yuck!

Patience and Avoidance are the keys. It is well worth the effort
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