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Old 02-01-2016, 04:24 AM   #15
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We'll be doing the same thing, combining tanks.

Dumping grey water is somewhat problematic, as the bacterial contamination of grey water can also put immense pressure on a sensitive environment, especially in the desert.

However, dispersed dumping via a drip hose for example, or while travelling, should not be an issue, especially ehen using biodegradable soaps.
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But dumping grayvwater might still be illegal even if using a hose dispersal method. Get rid of it at a dump statuion or where it us legal. Combining both tanks seems like a good solution. In my case that would over sixty gallons of gray. You could also dump the gray into another tank in the truck bed to extend the amount if time, using a macerater pump.
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Human waste when it combines, in water with TP becomes a bio-hazard and creates sewage. When it is separated, it can be handled and disposed of in an organic, non-toxic manner.

For starters, urine is sterile. And in some cases, yes you can dump it outside. It's just the same as going pee outside.

#2 goes into a composting bin with the composting material. It takes 6-8 hrs to start composting. So if it's been that long before the last use, you can dispose of it. You can purchase a "composting" bag, this is a bag designed to break down and compost itself, to place the humus in. That can legally and safel siy be placed in the trash. It will simply continue breaking down.

The pee goes into the front, a 2.1 gallon jug you can remove and take outside and dump or pour in your gray tank.





The American Water Works Association Research Foundation finds that over 30 percent of household water use is just for flushing toilets. We have all been taught the flush-and-forget system: We donít see where it goes and we donít have to deal with it (you know ďout of sight, out of mindĒ). Wastewater treatment is extremely energy intensive.
Thanks forbthe info, i,m a lot more possitive to the toilet than before after reading your comments, i trust your on the road opinions,. I can now see how this can be an alternative to some who boondock or stay at cg with limited services. Thanks again.
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But dumping grayvwater might still be illegal even if using a hose dispersal method. Get rid of it at a dump statuion or where it us legal. Combining both tanks seems like a good solution. In my case that would over sixty gallons of gray. You could also dump the gray into another tank in the truck bed to extend the amount if time, using a macerater pump.
You are 100% correct of course. I do find it easier to deal with grey water than with the accumulation of black water. Grey water can be managed easier.
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It's not human waste anymore, it is composted matter. It looks, and smells, very similar to something you'd buy at a garden centre to use on your flower beds.

Most municipalities do not allow for raw faeces to enter the garbage stream, with the exemption of diapers, dog bags and pet litter. But as we're not talking raw faeces here, we should not have an issue.
I have been told composted or not it is still legally considered human waste and cannot simply be disposed of in the household waste stream. I don't know for sure, this is what I have been told when I considered putting in a composting toilet in a home.
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The unspoken answer to this argument is that the waste can be dumped anywhere "legally or illegally" so long as the disposer does not get caught.

Frankly, I am not a composting toilet fan, but imho, disposal is not a really a valid argument against their use.

Garbage is garbage, apart from toxic chemicals, (which poo does not have), there is really no valid moral argument against throwing a bag of composted or even partially composted poop in a dumpster. (Never to be thought of again... )


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The unspoken answer to this argument is that the waste can be dumped anywhere "legally or illegally" so long as the disposer does not get caught.
If you are regularly going to toss your human compost you might want to check state and local regulations to see if it is legal where you are or not.

If compost is going to be used for fertilizer I would feel a lot easier using animal compost than human. Humans are a lot nastier than cows, pigs and the usual barnyard critters. Bugs like ecoli (which is ubiquitous) and listeria come to mine. If you are comfortable with using human compost in your tomato patch that's your deal.

In that regard I would rather see human compost go seruptitiously into a dumpster than into the food chain.

End of my 2 cents.
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I would not consume any product that I knew was grown in human waste. It grosses me out, but for good reason.

The fact is, the "bugs" and strains that are suited for, and affect humans most, are going to tend to be in human waste more than in animal waste.

Did typhoid Marry (quite contrary) grow her garden in human compost? Who knows?

I am with you, I would prefer to see it in the dumpster too.

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The unspoken answer to this argument is that the waste can be dumped anywhere "legally or illegally" so long as the disposer does not get caught.

Frankly, I am not a composting toilet fan, but imho, disposal is not a really a valid argument against their use.

Garbage is garbage, apart from toxic chemicals, (which poo does not have), there is really no valid moral argument against throwing a bag of composted or even partially composted poop in a dumpster. (Never to be thought of again... )


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No argument? How about concern about transmission of diseases such as cholera, typhoid, hepatitis, dysentery, norovirus, e-coli and more.

I'm not saying this isn't manageable, but it is not an issue to be casually dismissed.
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Hi Mike,

I'm following this thread with great interest. Please do us a favor and post an update in a month or two after you've had a chance to experience all aspects of this device, including a couple of dump episodes, how clean does the bowl stay (really) and also some comments on the real world savings in fresh water, and your real world experience with combining the grey/black tanks.

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What is that hose coming out the side of the toilet. There seems to be an electric cord attached to it.

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No argument? How about concern about transmission of diseases such as cholera, typhoid, hepatitis, dysentery, norovirus, e-coli and more.

I'm not saying this isn't manageable, but it is not an issue to be casually dismissed.

The fact is, a lot of poop goes into landfills from baby diapers to adult diapers... Not to mention dog poop and the contents of millions of cat boxes.

We have a fairly effective solid waste disposal system of "can to landfill" with minimum of human contact.

As a practical matter, a relatively few people using composting toilets isn't going to raise a huge stink.....

That said, so long as I have access to a good water supply and a sanitary sewer or septic system, I wont be composting my poop inside of a habitable structure or trailer.


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What is that hose coming out the side of the toilet. There seems to be an electric cord attached to it.

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There is a 12 volt fan that continuously and slowly exhausts air from the compost receptacle. In this case, Mike has connected the exhaust hose to his black tank vent stack and the wire is undoubtedly powering the fan.
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But dumping grayvwater might still be illegal even if using a hose dispersal method. Get rid of it at a dump statuion or where it us legal. Combining both tanks seems like a good solution. In my case that would over sixty gallons of gray. You could also dump the gray into another tank in the truck bed to extend the amount if time, using a macerater pump.
This is the caveat. Some places you can dump gray on the ground, other places no. We check with BLM or field offices when we can. The BLM office out of Yuma gave us a list, they have a classification system of areas that are considered Environmentally Sensitive. The desert does have some of these areas. And then there are other areas where it's not a concern.

We use bio-degradable ph safe soaps anyways.

There is also another way you can get rid of gray. You can take a large black tarp, use 4x4s around the perimeter and fill up your tarp and let it evaporate in the sun.

Or just keep it in your tanks. I'll be combining mine, after I've had them professionally cleaned out. But not before. I don't want surprises coming out of my drip hose.

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Hi Mike,

I'm following this thread with great interest. Please do us a favor and post an update in a month or two after you've had a chance to experience all aspects of this device, including a couple of dump episodes, how clean does the bowl stay (really) and also some comments on the real world savings in fresh water, and your real world experience with combining the grey/black tanks.

Thanks!
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That's the plan for sure. I'll probably write a follow-up post in a month or two.


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As for the discussion about human waste, germs and disposing of it, you are all forgetting a big key here. This material is not human waste by the time it's disposed of. It's HUMUS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humus - You can google the compost process yourself. And how things break down. Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine-...ing_dry_toilet

The point of the composting toilet is to let natural bacteria's do their work and break down the material. It's safe within 6-8 hrs and is no longer human waste. That's why you can dispose of it legally.

If you wanted to get really into it, there is even an entire book dedicated to the subject called The Humanure Handbook: A Guide to Composting Human Manure. And let’s not forget the liquids! Ammonia in pee has tons of great nitrogen (the stuff in fertilizers) and can be used for landscapes, food, fuel, and fiber. Its liquid gold, or at least according to the book, Liquid Gold: The Lore and Logic of Using Urine to Grow Plants.

If you take a dump in a plastic bag and pee into a zip lock bag and throw that in the trash, that's a totally different subject. And some of you are treating it as such. But why then is that a problem but your dog's crap isn't?

But feel free to debate it till the cows come home.
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