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10-17-2019, 11:52 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2022 27' Globetrotter
Newberg
, Oregon
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 122
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Help me set my expectations/ road conditions
Hello all!
Help me set my expectations on what road conditions you can reasonably expect to navigate with a new 19CB Caravel.
What is the ugliest road you can navigate regularly without destroying a fine trailer? Hard surface, of course. Gravel? Dirt? Washboard gravel? Potholed dirt? FS roads? Logging roads? Probably not skid trails.
Currently camp out of a Jeep Wrangler TJ and realize that the Suburban / trailer combination won't go where the Jeep goes. That's a no brainer. Looking for guidance on what the lower limit on road "quality" is.
Details and examples would be very helpful.
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10-17-2019, 01:24 PM
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Wheels Itch)(Must Travel
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
- east coastal area -
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 683
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Prepare for the worst
Hope for the best
Drive slowly and safely
The rest is just details.
The best road might be dirt - the worst a paved road like a roller coaster.
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10-17-2019, 01:41 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,736
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Hi
Hurricane damaged forest road - no problem / no issues (including the water in the road).
20% (maybe ) grade dirt road somewhere in rural Michigan - no problem / no issues
I-75 along most of it's length - no problem / no issues
Various washed out dirt roads in Montana and Wyoming - no problem / no issues
Winding no-shoulder / no guardrail / narrow / CLIFF !!! road in the mountains of Wyoming - yes a problem, the problem was the "fine person" passing the traffic in the other lane and occupying our lane around the blind curve (and the solid yellow stripes on the road). We indeed survived that one, still not quite sure how
Bottom line - idiots on the road are a *much* bigger issue than the road it's self. The Airstream will take just about anything you would ever want to drive over. Idiots front ending you .... no solution for that one.
Bob
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10-17-2019, 04:17 PM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Check this out:
They can handle a lot more than you would expect...at least the vintage ones!
Shari
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10-17-2019, 04:18 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2022 27' Globetrotter
Newberg
, Oregon
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 122
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Gotcha!
So, as long as I use good judgement and aren't "that guy" I should be reasonably fine.
Thanks for the replies!
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10-18-2019, 08:33 AM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,736
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 99TJSE
Gotcha!
So, as long as I use good judgement and aren't "that guy" I should be reasonably fine.
Thanks for the replies!
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Hi
With any vehicle (truck, car, RV) there will be an angle of arrival and an angle of departure that can get you in trouble. There are indeed railroad crossings that a standard long bed pickup will bottom out on.... Watch out for that sort of stuff.
Bob
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10-18-2019, 09:42 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 99TJSE
Gotcha!
So, as long as I use good judgement and aren't "that guy" I should be reasonably fine.
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Bingo!
Happy trails,
Peter
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10-18-2019, 10:06 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2022 27' Globetrotter
Newberg
, Oregon
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 122
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Whoo-hoo! This is gonna rock our world... When everyone else is tenting or living out of a tent trailer, we're going to be rocking an Airstream!
We do a lot of Jeep'n. Moab, Johnson Valley (King of the Hammers), Brown's Camp, Elk and Badger Lakes, and a hundred other places with no name and almost equal reputations. Putting the little Caravel behind the support vehicle is going to make these places a lot more comfortable. Won't help with the Rubicon, but then the Suburban won't go up that trail either. Colorado here we come!
A big thanks to all who contributed to this thread. Very helpful and informative. Now to check out tires and lift kits...
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10-18-2019, 10:31 AM
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Married with Airstream
2004 25' International CCD
Vancouver Island
, British Columbia
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 934
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The AS can go just about anywhere - the worse condition we experienced last summer was 16km of ungraded logging road which took us over an hour to travel - just go slow and avoid the potholes that would cause the AS to bottom out. It helps to "duck tape" the sliding overheads so they don't slide open (ask me how I know) - ASs are not as fragile as some would lead you to believe - never-the-less common sense Eh! Also, if you are a boondocker make sure you have some form of Rock Tamers Rock guards on your TV - the SS rock guards on the AS well be beat to death if you don't use them.
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10-18-2019, 11:05 AM
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Stay CazuaL
2018 25' Flying Cloud
2014 19' Flying Cloud
Reseda
, California
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 961
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Quote:
Originally Posted by az-streamer
Prepare for the worst
Hope for the best
Drive slowly and safely
The rest is just details.
The best road might be dirt - the worst a paved road like a roller coaster.
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I concur, to add: Not knowing is part of the adventure.
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10-18-2019, 01:03 PM
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Rivet Master
1988 25' Excella
1987 32' Excella
Knoxville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 5,118
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Running on a bad road is a very good place to take off the WD bars and tow on the ball. There is much less force on the A frame in dips, less chance of dragging the rear, and you are not going fast enough to sway. From watching the Zion tow video. It is faster and cheaper to unhitch and run roads with just the TV first than it is to have to be towed. For rough roads I would want tires with a lot of tread that are fairly softly inflated. Roads with trees close worry me because the trailer can tip into the trees if the tires hit a rut or pothole.
I personally do not take the trailer on anything worse than well maintained gravel. Washboarding is a no go for me. Slick and narrow is out. Going somewhere I cannot turn around is out. So my advise is somewhat theoretical, not from experience. Except for the part about driving it ahead of time without the trailer. Getting stuck or broken down in the boonies or hitting a tree with the trailer is not on my happy list of things to get done soon. Monument Valley is one place I drove first and then did not go with the trailer. My truck dragged the hitch several times running empty. Nice camp with hookups in Bluff.
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10-18-2019, 01:29 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,736
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill M.
Running on a bad road is a very good place to take off the WD bars and tow on the ball. There is much less force on the A frame in dips, less chance of dragging the rear, and you are not going fast enough to sway. .......f.
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Hi
Assuming the load on the rear axle is still "ok" without WD doing it's thing.....
Bob
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10-18-2019, 04:27 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2022 27' Globetrotter
Newberg
, Oregon
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 122
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_bob
Hi
Assuming the load on the rear axle is still "ok" without WD doing it's thing.....
Bob
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What's WD Bob? Remember...Total newb here.
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10-18-2019, 05:55 PM
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Just an old timer...
2004 22' Interstate
Tipton
, Iowa
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,766
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It'll go anywhere you'd take a famly sedan. If you wouldn't take a sedan, don't take the Airstream.
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10-18-2019, 06:39 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Flying Cloud
Kansas City
, Missouri
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,968
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I will add to think in 3-D. It's sometimes not the road, but the roadside that may pose a problem. Low hanging limbs and such. And when people say go slow, that can mean walking pace depending on conditions.
Honestly getting in and out of gas stations can be just as big of a problem.
Also, look for "decorative" problems. We have seen campsite roads lined with tree stumps that in effect make the road and turns deceptively narrow-- making it nearly impossible to navigate especially when backing (I'm talking to you-Signal Mountain Campground in GTNP). Other campgrounds like to use large boulders to this effect as well.
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10-18-2019, 08:58 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 28' International
Trois-Rivieres
, Quebec
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 701
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideOut
Check this out:
They can handle a lot more than you would expect...at least the vintage ones!
Shari
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An amazing video! Wally Byam was an amazing individual. You don't have those kinds of caravans today.
Worth watching!
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Lift kit, 16" wheels, Michelin Agilis CC LT
DIY Solar: 500W Renogy panels, AM Solar hdw, Blue Sky MPPT controller, 470ah Rolls battery bank, 2000W Renogy inverter.
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10-18-2019, 09:26 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' FB Eddie Bauer
2013 25' FB Eddie Bauer
2012 20' Flying Cloud
Small Town
, *** Big Sky Country ***Western Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,860
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We frequently visited "boondocking / no services" forest service campgrounds accessed by gravel or dirt roads with no problems ... just slow down.
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2022 Ford F350 6.2 V-8; equalizer hitch + Shocker air hitch
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Terminal Aluminitis; 2-people w/ 3+ dogs
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10-18-2019, 10:12 PM
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Rivet Master
1969 18' Caravel
Greenville
, whereEverIroam
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 1,412
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The Airstream BaseCamp was supposed to be the trailer for more "off road" Jeep-type campers; designed with a better departure angle, to be lighter, with rear cargo doors (the original Nissan designed one had ramps so you could load bikes, for instance)
However, the execution of that trailer is still, on it's 2nd version (now version 2.1) still evidently in Beta. The product still has many issues, as owners here on this forum can attest. However it does have a fan base.
Maybe that trailer, once all the problems are fixed, may be right up your alley.
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10-19-2019, 06:44 AM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,736
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 99TJSE
What's WD Bob? Remember...Total newb here.
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Hi
The trailer is heavy. The tongue of the trailer puts a load on the bumper of your tow vehicle. This "tongue weight" adds to the load that already is on the tow vehicle from the passengers and "stuff" you have in it.
Your tow vehicle has a sticker (usually on the driver side door post) that gives you the capacities of the axles on the vehicle and its maximum loading. If you head over to a weigh scale, you likely will find that the rear axle of the tow vehicle is closer to it's max ratings (or maybe over them) than the front axle.
A weight distributing hitch is essentially a spring that effectively "moves" weight between the front and rear axles on the tow vehicle. The force it applies at the hitch does this.
If you are relying on the WD hitch to keep the rear axle in the safe zone, pulling the bars off ( = turning off the WD function) and heading down a rough road probably isn't a good idea.
All of this is a good reason to carefully consider the ratings on your tow vehicle. Many of us go with somewhat "oversized" tow vehicles so that we have some "extra room" (margin) against all the specs.
Bob
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