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Old 08-24-2009, 01:14 PM   #15
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Going green and towing several tons down the road create some difficult decisions. My answer is to do the best we can. We have replaced a majority of bulbs with LED's—that reduces power consumption when hooked up to the grid and is good for boondocking. Boondocking reduces water use out of necessity. Camping close to home reduces fuel consumption. Avoiding processed foods at home and on the road reduces energy consumption and is more healthful. Traveling light as possible saves fuel and as much as I don't like it, driving slower save fuel.

I think staying at motels and especially at "resorts" is not green because these places are not built for efficiency. Since they are often at the edge of towns, they contribute to sprawl which is neither attractive nor efficient.

Since "green" is not a well defined term, I suppose it is an attitude. It requires thinking differently. When I was young throwing stuff out of the car window was not unusual, but there was a national change in attitude and I don't see it nearly so often. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen and I have to pick up trash along our road frontage of more than 1,000 feet (I notice beer bottles are the most common trash). I try to think of more ways to conserve resources and protect the land, air and water. It's not easy because I was trained long ago to not even think of such things.

I don't think I'm a "green weenie" and don't think conserving equates with weakness. It's just smart traveling and living.

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Old 08-24-2009, 03:22 PM   #16
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......I don't think I'm a "green weenie" .......
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[quote=kstampa;739044] A composting toilet would be an unnecessary conservation measure if the gray water was used to evacuate the toilet.[/quote]

No, the purpose of a composting toilet is not just to conserve water but also to compost the waste to a point it can either be reused or be disposed of in a less impacting manner. Water, even gray water, should not have to be treated as sewerage either in a home environment or in your camper. Anything that avoids this would be conservative.

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As an architect, we know that the LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) program developed by the USGBC has promoted gray water reuse as a conservation measure in our built environment. To learn more about green buildings visit:
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All the large scale gray water reuse programs I'm familiar with use advanced treatment (very expensive) in order to be able to reuse the water on golf courses, home lawns .... Not using the water in the first place is the only true conservation measure.

I would suggest a better use of the water in your gray water tank would be to take it home and water your fruit trees and flowers...

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The response to this thread is more than I anticipated! The most worthwhile recommendations being: the usage of solar power & the reuse of gray water as a flushing agent.On a tangent,the thought of implementing airstream conservation in the home is certainly noteworthy.If all the 'green' suggestions were commonplace in residential America I just might not feel the need to boondock at all.I might add that going any greener, when already in a boondock situation,would verge no longer on camping techniques but survival techniques.Would anyone care to take a stab at the use of survival or even hunting gear as green boondocking armament.
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Old 08-24-2009, 04:32 PM   #19
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I know Gene personally, and I can attest that he isn't green.......
"It's Not Easy Bein' Green" (lyrics by Joe Rapposo)

It's not that easy bein' green;
Having to spend each day the color of the leaves.
When I think it could be nicer being red, or yellow or gold-
or something much more colorful like that.

It's not easy bein' green.
It seems you blend in with so many other ordinary things.
And people tend to pass you over 'cause you're not standing out like flashy sparkles in the water- or stars in the sky.

But green's the color of Spring.
And green can be cool and friendly-like.
And green can be big like an ocean, or important like a mountain, or tall like a tree.

When green is all there is to be
It could make you wonder why, but why wonder why? Wonder,
I am green and it'll do fine, it's beautiful!
And I think it's what I want to be.


Not green, but I do have some "liver spots" on my hands: Liver spot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Moving on to composting toilets, wouldn't is be very difficult to set that up in a trailer that moves? All the toilets I saw on the internet seem to be for stationary installation. For more:
Composting toilet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There's a mention in the Wikipedia article of dessicating toilets. A friend tells me many years ago he had a set up when he lived in a step van that attached to the exhaust pipe and turned "stuff" to ash from the heat. That wouldn't be green in a trailer because you're not getting a second use of the heat generated by a motor vehicle, but an interesting idea for a motor home.

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Green is good, even if I think it's over done......but I am more into conservation. My mother was perhaps way ahead of her time but from necessity. She and Dad had too during the 'great' depression. I was born towards the end of it but mom was always stressing conserving (saving?) with teaching my brother and I not to be wastefull even when we had plenty. I chuckle silently and I am sure my mother is smiling someplace when I hear my grand kids being asked by their parents, "Did you turn off Gramps and Granma's bathroom lights when you were through?" Mom and I will applaud when I (we) hear that question asked in their home.
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Sorry to post Immediately after my last post,but I feel compelled to say Mr. Tallytwo1994 nailed it! Don't use the water in the first place.This brings me back to the wall that so many run up against .The total non usage of water for black water purposes or pooperses,take your pick.There are waterless methods available.Water in the lav is relatively new. The crescent mooned outhouse was a state of the art innovation of the chamber pot,but are we now too refined for such a method?
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Could be used to tow Basecamp

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That's for the man on the go.
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Our gray water tank is always the first tank to fill. I have thought that using gray water to flush would help with both saving fresh water and lessening the load on the gray water tank..........................
Since there usually are only two of us, our gray water fills up MUCH more rapidly than the black. I have often thought a pump to pump some of the gray water into the black water tank would great. It would allow us to stay put much longer. To follow the green theme, it would save fuel and associated emissions making trips just to dump.
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My trailer is equipped with compact fluorescent light bulbs throughout to conserve energy usage with a solar panel to charge them. I also have a backup light system of stick up touch control LED lights scattered around in places I need them like the kitchen and bathroom, plus in closets and the frig. Then I have a lantern that uses rechargeable batteries for reading and if it is cold, I have another lantern that runs off a fuel canister and gives out heat. I am very careful, keep windows open , never leave it on when I sleep, and have a CO2 alarm. When it's really cold, I turn on the catalytic heaters. When all the power quits, there is the headlamp, several flashlights and a book light. If I can't read at night, I'm going home...

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Our gray water tank is always the first tank to fill. I have thought that using gray water to flush would help with both saving fresh water and lessening the load on the gray water tank..........................
Since there usually only two of us, our gray water fills up MUCH more rapidly than the black. I have often thought a pump to pump some of the gray water into the black water tank would be great. It would allow us to stay put much longer. To follow the green theme, it would save fuel and associated emissions making trips just to dump.
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